Damn Illegals

[quota]

Human Nature - What we don't understand we fear, what we fear we destroy.

Language is the primary means by which humans understand each other.

No common language no understand, no understand results in fear, we destroy what we fear.

I agree with you.

But I also think that learning the language of the country that welcomes you is - above all - a matter of respect for the people who built up the place before. Besides, showing your good will would partly remove the "fear".

I lived and worked in a couple of countries. I always learned or started learning the local language. Without being obliged. Just by respect. And it did not "damage" my origins, my culture and my religion. It also did not prevent me to speak my native language at home, when I wanted too. Let me say that my efforts were much appreciated by the local people. And it gave me some possibility to better understand the foreign cultures in which I was temporarily immersed, thus opening my mind.

Just my 2 cents.
JP

 

[94_302]

Ok I might get heat for this, but I don't care.

SCREW that way of thinking! Be mad at this guy for killing people, not because he came into this country. Most are really good hard workers and I can tell you because I work with them. Everyone screws up all over the world no matter of race. This is not just people who sneek into this country!!! All they wanted was a better life and I keep going back on this subject time and time again.

SCREW TV it's all one frickin' commercial and all the media wants to do is piss you off or put you in fear. See what it did to you guys? Now your all over people who come into this country illegally because of our frickin' b.s. regulations just make the option of sneaking in here something to consider. Do you know where we would be if it wasn't for people coming into this country? I wouldn't be here because I'm not Native American. Heck I think we would all be gone.

Turn off your televisions and open your minds. Jesus Chrysler!

Ok I will open my mind. I am mad at the illegal for the killing and mad at our incompetent and corrupt government for allowing the killing. How do they allow the killing? By not caring that we have a problem, making all illegals legal does not fix anything. The government is too concerned with losing votes or possibly hurting peoples feelings when they should be looking out for Americans best interest.

All they wanted was a better life, sounds so simple. However EVERYTHING in life has a cost associated with it. Costs may be in the form of money, favors, or a number of other things. The cost of our government doing nothing about our borders is significant. The kids who attend school are now leading to overcrowding, weakening the quality of education that young Americans receive even more. So we need to build schools and higher teachers the tax payers pay this cost, then they don't all speak English so we need special teachers. What about the illegals who come to this country and do not have good intentions. The ones who rob, rape, and murder Americans. Is that acceptable to you since the majority of the illegals are good people? I won't even go into how they contribute to our health care problems. What the government should do is figure out how much per year they are costing us and then divide that amount evenly as a tax to all those who support illegal immigration. If you want to pay for them go ahead but I do not.

But the main focus is they are illegal they come into this country already breaking the law. Someone who speeds recklessly will get a ticket and in some counties arrested, they may not have hurt anyone and it could have happened on a deserted road however it's illegal and they have to suffer the consequences. However breaking our immigration law is alright because well no one else follows it right

If someone wants to better their life fine, there is a legal way to come into this country, follow the laws and there is no problem.

 

[glassman99]

Ok I might get heat for this, but I don't care.

SCREW that way of thinking! Be mad at this guy for killing people, not because he came into this country. Most are really good hard workers and I can tell you because I work with them. Really good hard woorkers? Maybe for the first generation, then look out. they "Americanize" real fast.Everyone screws up all over the world no matter of race. This is not just people who sneek into this country!!! Sneak into this country? Is that like illegal entry? Keyword: ILLEGAL All they wanted was a better life and I keep going back on this subject time and time again.

SCREW TV it's all one frickin' commercial and all the media wants to do is piss you off or put you in fear. See what it did to you guys? Now your all over people who come into this country illegally because of our frickin' b.s. regulations just make the option of sneaking in here something to consider. The regualtions (laws to some) are there for a purpose. We also have laws against robbing a bank..would you rationalize that that just make it more tempting for someone? come on now. Do you know where we would be if it wasn't for people coming into this country? I don't think this discussion is about immigration. It is about ILLEGAL entry, it is about not respecting our laws, its about forging documents to gain work. I wouldn't be here because I'm not Native American. Heck I think we would all be gone. Not true. There have been millions of legal immigrants to this country and it welcomes them. If you want to immigrate, immigrate legally, take some pride in being American, learn our history, learn our language, learn our customs and don't expect us to accept conditions similar to a third world country here to make you comfortable. Most of the illegals that are crossing our borders are either 1) very undereducated ie they have little or no education or professional skills or 2)or they are here to take advantage of our social benefits (medical, welfare, etc.) or 3) they are here for other reasons (Remember 9/11?) and yes 4) some come here to work, work at a wage that would not be livable to a taxpaying American citizen who is trying to live within the laws. They do this by living ten to a room, living in our parks, living in cars, not paying taxes, not having insurance, not being responsible for anything except to (sometimes) take cash under the table and sending a majority of that back to their homeland. Hell you probably believe that if a baby is born in this country to illegal aliens, that baby is an American citizen! Talk about pure horsecrap!! Show me where it says that in our Constitution or in the Bill of Rights!Turn off your televisions and open your minds. Jesus Chrysler!

Several things to consider...Really hard workers? or workers that will work for minimum wages?

 

[sailsmen]

What's the problem w/ Mexico, (60% of illegal immigrants)?

Answer Mexicans, Mexicans who are corrupt and Mexicans who tolerate corruption.

Place large fines on US employers, send the illegals back home ala President Eisenhower w/ "Operation Wet Back" and with in 6 months a revolution will begin to take place.

Breaking into the US with a corrupt Mexican Gov't issued map-how to brochure and then getting an ID from a corrupt Mexican Consulate will no longer be an option.

The 20% of the Mexican population currently working in the US illegally will begin to revolt in their country.

By allowing the illegals to work and receive education and medical care we are perpetuating the cycle of Mexican poverty caused by it's corrupt government.

By allowing the illegals to take from us we are taking from the legals awaiting entry into this country to become a part of this country and from our citizens.

The illegals come here to do one thing take, take and take. They are not here to become citizens.

The US does not need people who illegally come here, who cannot speak english, do not pay income tax, do not pay property tax, have an 8th grade education, are functionally illiterate in english and spanish and who have no desire to learn english.

Those who are citizens pay a high cost for the illegals. The illegals do not contribute.

By every measure they reduce the quaility of life, violent crime, drug use.

I am seeing the impact in the area I live. The violent crime has recently started from the illegals so much so that the Police are learning spanish for the first time that the French won the City back from the Spanish over 200 years ago!

Hire an illegal and you perpetuate the cycle of poverty by corruption.

My father was President of an entrepenure group of some of the worlds wealthiest families, unfortunately that did not include us. I became friends w/ several from South America in the late 1970's. I will never forget when the discussion of Mexico came up one nite. All of those from South America said the corruption in Meixco was perpetuated by the lack of any concern by the wealthy Mexicans for their fellow citizens.

 

[MarauderTJA]

I agree with you Billy 100%. In addition, the stated cost effecting our health care system in the U.S. is reaching 3 billion dollars a month. Go to any hospital ER and see who the majority of the people are in the waiting room. Illegals, and the hospital is obligated to treat them. When my wife had to go to the hospital last month for her heart problem, she had to be diverted from my local hospital (3 miles from my home) to another Lee County Hospital 15 miles away.....You know why, illegals had flooded the ER. Un-f**kng real. Thank God she turned out OK.

 

[RCSignals]

Ok I might get heat for this, but I don't care.

SCREW that way of thinking! Be mad at this guy for killing people, not because he came into this country. Most are really good hard workers and I can tell you because I work with them. Everyone screws up all over the world no matter of race. This is not just people who sneek into this country!!! All they wanted was a better life and I keep going back on this subject time and time again.

SCREW TV it's all one frickin' commercial and all the media wants to do is piss you off or put you in fear. See what it did to you guys? Now your all over people who come into this country illegally because of our frickin' b.s. regulations just make the option of sneaking in here something to consider. Do you know where we would be if it wasn't for people coming into this country? I wouldn't be here because I'm not Native American. Heck I think we would all be gone.

Turn off your televisions and open your minds. Jesus Chrysler!

Dom you are so messed up on this subject it isn't funny

 

[Motorhead350]

Alright I give up. I guess I have a lot to learn about life. I still don't think you guys get it though. Be mad at the person for the crime... not where he came from. There are cop killers all over the place, not just from Mexico.

 

[fastblackmerc]

Alright I give up. I guess I have a lot to learn about life. I still don't think you guys get it though. Be mad at the person for the crime... not where he came from. There are cop killers all over the place, not just from Mexico.

The point is if he wasn't here illegally there would be one more LEO still alive.

 

[CBT]

The point is if he wasn't here illegally there would be one more LEO still alive.

Exactly. Anyone who says crimes committed here by an illegal alien has nothing to do with immigration is either stupid or has a vested interest in lying about it. Would they have killed that policemen if they weren't here? No. Were they here illegally? Yes. It's that simple, it really is that simple. When you start out in this country by breaking the law to get here, are you REALLY just a law abiding citizen who wants to come here and do jobs we won't do? Breaking the law and hiding in the shadows is a way of life and a full time job for these people so I guess, yes, they can have that job, I don't want it. When I was high school, Spanish was an elective. Is it mandatory yet? I wouldn't doubt it. When you speak out against granting amnesty to 12-20 million law breakers you are called a racist by groups like the ACLU, LULAC, and the Southern Poverty Law Center. If you don't have a problem with illegals I say this to you: Adopt a family of them. Take them into your house, feed them, cloth them, insure them, pay for thier educations and hospitilizations and take the burden off of me, man. GRRRR!!

 

[Motorhead350]

If you don't have a problem with illegals I say this to you: Adopt a family of them. Take them into your house, feed them, cloth them, insure them, pay for thier educations and hospitilizations and take the burden off of me, man. GRRRR!!

Well in a way I do. I won't get into it. Call me stupid if ya want, but I don't care. Just the fact that he is illegal is irrelevant. I guess if it was some 15 year old white kid who went nuts he wouldn't get the same heat from you guys. I'm staying these things happen no matter who commits the crime or where they are from. Thats life.

 

[5arnold]

:banned:I'm a US CITIZEN myself my parents came from MEXICO in the early 80's.They are not here illegal they work & pay the goverment taxes every year.What i really don't agree is with all the people coming to the UNITED STATES & take advantage of our system.My parents & other people i know can't get help from the goverment not even medicaid can cover them.But we have all this people that don't pay taxes & get all the help they want like FOODSTAMPS,MEDICAID,DAYCARE & get free tansportation to see the doctor.I had a lady come up to me at a store one time & told me she would buy my groceries with her FOODSTAMPS & to pay her half in cash!I don't have anything against anybody but come on we are the ones loosing out on what the goverment can do for us.I just don't think it's fair that we pay taxes & all the things we do for someone just to come here illegal and take advantage of that & if they do a crime who cares if it's the first felony or misdeminor they should just send them back.With people like that we can't keep track of them they can do a crime & go back to their country.So i say we keep them out of the U.S.A!

 

[CBT]

Well in a way I do. I won't get into it. Call me stupid if ya want, but I don't care. Just the fact that he is illegal is irrelevant. I guess if it was some 15 year old white kid who went nuts he wouldn't get the same heat from you guys. I'm staying these things happen no matter who commits the crime or where they are from. Thats life.

How is it irrelevant? Could he have comitted the crime if he wasn't here? No. Was he here illegally? Yes. I can't break it down any simpler than that. Sneaking into the country is a crime, period. If you hire and/or help anyone who does, that's a crime and we are all paying for it.
Legal, illegal, either way it is sad that a police officer lost his life.

 

[Motorhead350]

Ok well I don't think his intention was to come into this country to kill a cop. If my grandparents didn't come into this country I wouldn't be here. There are other people in this country who are here who got here legally who kill people. Where is your post on everyone else? Seems to me your mad that a cop is dead and you have every reason to, but just saying he got here illegally and putting every single illegal on the bad list just pisses me off. Just because one did it doesn't mean they all will. You can't judge them all by one act.

 

[DeepSea117]

I don't know if illegals come here intending to commit a crime or not, but they do come here knowing they are breaking the law--how could they NOT?

My parents immigrated here from the Philippine in 1971. They paid their dues to get in, obtained citizenship legally, swore allegiance, and paid taxes. And now my mom who is on workmen's comp after being on long-term disability and working here for 35 years STILL has to fight for her healthcare. Why should ANYONE be given free healthcare and so many other benefits when they a) broke the law by entering this country illegaly, and b) break more rules? We are rewarding and encouraging people for CUTTING IN LINE. I'm sorry, but EFF that.

I've known some nice illegals, but the story is still the same...take, take, and take. Make their money, pay no taxes that allow this country to be here so they CAN work illegally, then return to Mexico (yes they were Mexican.) That's what you call a parasite.

 

[sailsmen]

They are here in part because of greed.

I know someone who has a ranch w/ 3 horses. She is pro illegal, their exploitive labor allows her to keep 3 horses.

After Katrina the illegals got higher paying jobs in construction. Now she has 1 horse.

She thinks I am heartless because they are hard workers.

The reality is she is exploiting them and the legal person they replaced. She is perpetuating the cycle of corruption in Mexico.

 

[94_302]

Ok well I don't think his intention was to come into this country to kill a cop. If my grandparents didn't come into this country I wouldn't be here. There are other people in this country who are here who got here legally who kill people. Where is your post on everyone else? Seems to me your mad that a cop is dead and you have every reason to, but just saying he got here illegally and putting every single illegal on the bad list just pisses me off. Just because one did it doesn't mean they all will. You can't judge them all by one act.

Who cares about his intentions? People who street race do not intend to wreck and kill people yet it happens. Every illegal is on the bad list because they do not respect this country enough to follow the laws regarding immigration. Then they take advantage of this countries tax payers and still have the nerve to get upset with people who are against illegals.

Does it matter that only a small % of illegals commit violent crimes? No, because even a small percentage of violent crimes that are committed against Americans by illegals is NOT acceptable and too many.

 

[Motorhead350]

People who street race do not intend to wreck and kill people yet it happens. :Offtopicoes it matter that only a small % of illegals commit violent crimes? No, because even a small percentage of violent crimes that are committed against Americans by illegals is NOT acceptable and too many.

If getting into the country was easy I'm sure they would follow the rules. The point is it is not and this seems to be the resort that is taken. I still can't believe you guys cannot see past the illegal part. Be mad at him for the crime, not where he came from. I'm done trying to dumb down my point. Stay in your worlds where all illegals are bad for coming here for a better life and they are all disrespecting the country for doing things people do all accross the world.

 

[RCSignals]

I'm a US CITIZEN myself my parents came from MEXICO in the early 80's.They are not here illegal they work & pay the goverment taxes every year.What i really don't agree is with all the people coming to the UNITED STATES & take advantage of our system.My parents & other people i know can't get help from the goverment not even medicaid can cover them.But we have all this people that don't pay taxes & get all the help they want like FOODSTAMPS,MEDICAID,DAYCARE & get free tansportation to see the doctor.I had a lady come up to me at a store one time & told me she would buy my groceries with her FOODSTAMPS & to pay her half in cash!I don't have anything against anybody but come on we are the ones loosing out on what the goverment can do for us.I just don't think it's fair that we pay taxes & all the things we do for someone just to come here illegal and take advantage of that & if they do a crime who cares if it's the first felony or misdeminor they should just send them back.With people like that we can't keep track of them they can do a crime & go back to their country.So i say we keep them out of the U.S.A!

Exactly. It's not about WHERE a person is from, it's about HOW they get here, the steps they took to get here.
Many of us are immigrants. To me "Immigrant" implies a certain legality. Applying that word to those who are scofflaws, and think somehow they have a self declared right to come to the US and take up residence simply because they want to, is wrong. Those people are NOT immigrants in any way. They are selfish thieves.

Unfortunately Dom doesn't understand this.

 

[94_302]

If getting into the country was easy I'm sure they would follow the rules. The point is it is not and this seems to be the resort that is taken. I still can't believe you guys cannot see past the illegal part. Be mad at him for the crime, not where he came from. I'm done trying to dumb down my point. Stay in your worlds where all illegals are bad for coming here for a better life and they are all disrespecting the country for doing things people do all accross the world.

Life is not easy, just because there is an easy illegal way to do something does not make it right. You still can't believe we can not see past the illegal part, I am mad at him for the crime and mad at our government for not doing anything about all the illegals in this country. Yes I will stay in my world where illegal is illegal and you can stay in yours were illegal is only illegal sometimes.

 

[Motorhead350]

Unfortunately Dom doesn't understand this.

Yup I'm really lost here. Maybe I'll grow up and get it someday.