5.4L Marauder?

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mmmmmmarauder said:
when Ford was practicising on making Panther platforms
(were they called that? OK the Crown Vics)...a 351 engine
was actually an option (especially in Canada for a while)

I am assuming we have basically the same car as the old
style Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis series...I was thinking
the 5.4L would drop right in...in fact I remember a thread here
saying that the 5.4L and 4.6L have the same external dimensions
except for height...

Everyone talks about speed...fine if you wish to risk life and limb
and your license...but to me a "muscle car" is ALL ABOUT
staring someone down at a stoplight (preferably an import
econobox/wannabe sports car), snickering/sneering, perhaps
making a comment about the questionable lineage of their car
company or asking if their mom let them out of the backyard with
that toy...FLOORING IT and leaving them wondering how the
green light came on so fast that they didn't have a chance to react.

To me...all I want is to feel a PUSH/PULL,any push pull from a dead stop
to about thirty miles per hour, just a nudge in my seat, a hint of
the rollercoaster experience...

Instead I painfully spool up this undersized motor and gradually
come to an occasional HARD shift to second (yes, I had the level II
transmission rebuild, yes I have to explain to dates that there
isn't anything wrong with the car...it is SUPPOSED to be like that)

The current "panthers" are not the same as those built in the '80s. Not even close.

You have over $4,000 in mods and still don't have that low end torgue feel you want? You only want performance to 30 mph? Buy a Studebaker stump puller.

A supercharger won't do it for you? only more displacement will?

Where is Todd? He should be first to say "I smell a TROLL"
 
RCSignals said:
Where is Todd? He should be first to say "I smell a TROLL"
I'm here...smelled it a LONG time ago...'specially with 2 threads going on the same thing, from the same tro-....I mean MMMMMMMel Tillis...
 
a Studebaker Stump Puller???

what the heck is a Studebaker Stump Puller?


I have to assume that was a joke...but if a vendor sells it...


I will keep you posted on my attempts to buy and install the
new powerplant...you get to the point where you don't want to
play stoplight tag with cars that don't deserve to be on the same
street as the Marauder...and we GOT TO back up the looks with
the growl...

OK, I am stupid...what's a TROLL?
 
Is there now a schism between troll and ignoramus?

Maybe because he's 24 he's used to bigger cubbed chevy's or something...young peoples fast cars...like camaro's or something. I dunno, not trying to save anyone's arse here...

Anyways dude, a Troll is someone who comes in here with the intentions of making fun or demeaning the MM because they like something else better.
 
And what kind of mods do you have and you still can't get it off the line? Mine feels strongest between 0-30 and then 55-90mph than anything else (there's not a hugely noticable difference between 31 and 54 but it's there) and it's a 281. I sure as hell don't have a marauder with 5k worth of parts.
 
Well, assuming you're for real about all of this, I can definately understand someone who has put 4K worth of mods into a Marauder and NOT being satisfied, and NOT having enough low-end torque, because I was exactly in the same boat BEFORE I superharged my Marauder. There are only three ways to get more low-end torque than what a small engine like a 4.6L one offers:

A. Increase the displacement SIGNIFICANTLY (and I don't mean going from 4.6L to 5.0 or 5.2L).

B. Install a BIG Nitrous Oxide injection kit.

C. Install an intercooled Supercharger kit (preferably a roots type S/Cer IF Low-end torque is your priority).
 
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just for the record...

I am not a "TROLL"...I own a 300A which I bought without a test drive based on Ford's reputation...and a cool poster of a Marauder smoking it's tires in front of a bunch of leather jacketed James Dean look-a-likes leaning on their old Marauders

I was just hoping sometime in the near future to have a hint of smoking rubber or muscle car testosterone...

My only problem is 0-30 acceleration...I wanted pull off the line...no spooling/reving/hard shifts...I hate getting beaten off the stoplight...

I am leaning larger displacement replacement motor (it is just against my better judgment to change the engine on a car with 8000 miles on it) or a roots supercharger...

Just for fun, do an internet search on the police interceptor Crown Victorias with V10 engines being installed...
 
mmmmmmarauder said:
Just for fun, do an internet search on the police interceptor Crown Victorias with V10 engines being installed...

The CV and the GM have a different FRAME than the Marauder.
Our front suspension, engine and tranny mounting is different than the CV and the GM.


mmmmmmarauder said:
OK, I am stupid...what's a TROLL?

Ever read the story Three Billy Goats Gruff ?
 
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Hmm, I had no idea that the CV/GM had a different frame than the Marauder, but you do learn something new everyday. To be honest, I don't think it's fair to call Marauderrrr a troll, as he's just a little disappointed. Unfortunately, I think BillyGMan makes a good point and that doing a supercharger is going to be your best bet. Lidio currently has the fastest Marauder that we know of so far, and he's running near mid 11's. As far as worrying about the stock internals go, you can swap them out and I bet you could borrow a few parts from the Cobra bin since our motors are very similar. However, there are many people on this forum running a blower(some for a while now), and we havn't heard of anyone having an engine blow up yet.
 
mmmmmmarauder said:
Just for fun, do an internet search on the police interceptor Crown Victorias with V10 engines being installed...
The guy who does those used to post here.
There aren't very many of them, they're still in "development" and have been for a few years.
Fueled by propane they aren't that impressive.
 
junehhan said:
there are many people on this forum running a blower(some for a while now), and we havn't heard of anyone having an engine blow up yet.

I agree. And that's what has been the deciding factor in my opt for a Supercharger for my Marauder. No, nothing is fool proof when it comes to Hi-performance, but I've spoken to several owners of Trilogy equipped Marauders, and one of them drives his back and forth to work as i do, and he had his Trilogy kit installed when the car had 32K on it, and it now has 43K on it, and everything is fine. my car had 11K on it when I installed the S/Cer, and there are a couple other guys who I've spoken to who not only race their S/ced marauders at the track ocassionaly, but who drive then primarily on the street just as all of us do, and they haven't had any problems either.

if you go on Lidio's website ( www.alternativeauto.com ), you'll see the "Lidio's rant" article he has on there where he describes how important it is to have a conservative engine tune on your car if it's S/Ced, and how he has tuned several dozen S/ced Mustangs that also have the 4.6L engine w/out the forged pistons nor the forged steel crankshafts, and none of them has had problems. And Lidio's experience w/S/Ced Mustang engines that do NOT have the forged internals, goes back more than ten years ago.

And Lidio is the one who burns all the chips that come w/the Trilogy S/Cer kits. So to me that says a lot about what you can safely do to a 4.6L Ford engine in the way of S/Cing. And that goes for weather you're talking a centrifugal S/Cer, or a roots type S/Cer, because Lidio installs both kinds on Mustangs, and has been doing so for awhile.

Remember, the biggest danger to a S/Ced engine is detonating (aka "pinging" or "knocking"). That will crack or melt pistons real quick. But having a conservative Air/fuel ratio, along w/a conservative timing advance curve will prevent the engine from detonatioin. And that all is in the tune.

I'm not claiming to be an expert on this in any way, but I did do my homework before I made the decision to S/C my Marauder. I purchased and read three books on S/Cing, read all I can find on the subject on the internet, Read the entire Magnuson/Eaton supercharger website, and talked to as many guys on this board on the phone and in person that I could find who had already S/Ced their Marauders. Let me point out that because my interest and therefore my focus was on the Eaton roots type S/Cer, it was only the Trilogy customers who I've sought to talk to. And that in no way disqulifies the guys who have a centrifugal s/cer on their Marauder. But all I can tell you is what I've learned from what knowledge I myself have gained, and much of that was due to seeking info on the roots type S/Cer.

In conclusion, all I can tell you is that I was originally dead set against S/Cing my Marauder because I had the same concerns as you do about durability issues. But looking back on it now, I think my concerns where only there because I hadn't really much knowledge on the subject, especially concerning Marauders specifically, and the 4.6L engine in general, when it comes to S/Cing.
 
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Getting back to the topic at hand...

The 5.4 and 4.6 share the same block, same bore, just longer rods and different crank offset.

5.4 has lower compression, which is good for supercharging. More torque is good too, but it's not that much more considering the investment.
4.6 heads won't clear the pistons, and 5.4 heads are taller, which changes the "V" shape ever so slightly. The 4.6 intake will not fit this difference.

5.4 intake is where the engine height comes in, it's 1.5" taller than the 4.6.
Not to mention the intake's front facing air induction, a custom intake will be necessary, and expensive.

Other than this, piece of cake.

To get where you want to be, supercharge your 4.6 with one of the half dozen options now available. Your investment will be about the same, 6-7K maybe, but all worth it.

Our 4.6 engines are a lot stronger than many think. There are a lot of way to build power, but in the end, it's all in the tuning.
 
hmmm, so the 4.6 and 5.4 motors share the same bore and block, but are simply different strokes. I didn't know that. I guess it's just like the Chevy 327's and 350's were. Same bore, but different strokes. Good info MAC.
 
BillyGman said:
but just keep in mind that this option will cost a whole lot more than the 6K for the S/Cer kit.

Yes your right it's costly, the stroker kit is $20, 000 Canadian.
I agree supercharging is the most cost effective way to get more power, for 6-8 k you can make serious power.

Richard
98 Mercury Grand Marquis LS
 
I hate to differ with the opinions here, but the 4.6L and 5.4L are abt as common as the 302 and 351. Same Bore, different stroke, rods, and block. The 5.4L is a taller block than the 4.6L hence the wider intake. I have seen them both torn down in the shop and they are definitly different. Actually the heads look very similar. The truck intakes are much taller than the cars. The truck 4.6L intake is alot taller than its car counterpart.
 
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Well, the bottom line I suppose is that if you opt for a 5.4L engine(assuming that you can even find a way for the thang to fit) it's going to be very costly to get anything other than an ordinary 5.4 engine. A lot more than a S/Cer would cost you. And if you simply settle for an ordinary SUV 5.4 engine, you would gain vert little in the way of torque, so it would be a very dissapointing experience I'm sure.
 
The Real Deal !!

It sounds like you have plenty of " regular " cars. Why try to fake a Crown Vic to a Marauder ? You and every other Marauder owner would know the difference. Perhaps sell a few vehilcles, and get a REAL MARAUDER, some are still available if you search hard enough.

Jim W Williams
Ft.Worth, Texas
 
Actually, if I was going to spend all those bucks (8-10k plus or whatever) on my car Id try to drop a 429 4V CJ with a C6 in it. No need for nitrous/blower/turbo or anything else. Ive had big block Fords before and though I haven done any measurements, our 4.6 DOHC engines look huge for such a small displacement. I dont see why some enterprising motorhead hasnt done this already. I know big blocks are taller, the hood would have to be modified but I would think it would fit side to side and front to back.
 
Vortex said:
I dont see why some enterprising motorhead hasnt done this already. .
Maybe something to do with the fact that we can highly modify the modern engines and still get 20 mpg?
 
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