Black Wheels
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It's the stuff dreams are made of
http://www.earlywheel.com
You might try these folks, if they don't make em they
can probably tell you who does. They've made several
wheels for me in the past. Great workmanship and
very reasonable
You might try these folks, if they don't make em they
can probably tell you who does. They've made several
wheels for me in the past. Great workmanship and
very reasonable
Donny Carlson
New member
This is an 18x9, the back spacing is close.GreekGod said:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=6727
martyo
MO derator
Donny Carlson said:This is an 18x9, the back spacing is close.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=6727
Donny strikes again!
Joe Walsh
STILL N/A
I think that the backspacing on the stock 18 x 8" rim is 6.5"
The backspacing on a 18 x 9" rim should be closer to 7.5"..unless you want to push the rim/tire to the outside of the wheelwell. There is enough room (shock clearance) to push the rim/wheel to the inside of the wheelwell at least 1"
The backspacing on a 18 x 9" rim should be closer to 7.5"..unless you want to push the rim/tire to the outside of the wheelwell. There is enough room (shock clearance) to push the rim/wheel to the inside of the wheelwell at least 1"
Donny Carlson
New member
According to FRP website, the back spacing for this wheel is 5.98"Joe Walsh said:
Pantherman
Member
Joe, the inside rear clearance is not as generous as it first appears. A lot of that room gets used up when the axle goes into full jounce-roll. One problem with the Ford racing wheel is that at 31 lbs. it seems to be a real porker. Panther platform cars have never liked heavy wheels.
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Donny Carlson
New member
Not to be nit picky, but they weigh 31 pounds. 1 pound lighter than the polished "chrome" version, and 1 pound more than the powdercoated silver version.Pantherman said:
Donny Carlson
New member
Yah, we need an Elaine thread about right now.TAF said:
I am so wanting just to buy a setr of these wheels just to see if they fit. I'll either look like a conplete idiot for wasting $1000 on wheels that don't fit, or they will fit and and I can go "nyah nyah" for at least a week.
studio460
[formally NBCshooter]
Donny:
I'm DYING to get those EXACT same wheels myself. But didn't we have a thread on these very wheels a month or two ago? Am I mixing these up with some other wheels where someone posted a picture of Dennis Reinhart's car with these wheels on and they stuck out an inch from the wheel well and looked kinda funny?
Ford Racing website tech notes for this "Black Ford Racing Mustang Wheel," part no. M-1007-F500B:
• Fits 1994-04 [Mustang]
• 5-lug, 4.50'' bolt circle, 5.98'' backspacing
• 18''x 9'' wide
• Includes Ford Racing center cap
• Cast in Ford Racing logo
Also, if the backspacing is off, can't a good wheel shop customize it to fit?
I'm DYING to get those EXACT same wheels myself. But didn't we have a thread on these very wheels a month or two ago? Am I mixing these up with some other wheels where someone posted a picture of Dennis Reinhart's car with these wheels on and they stuck out an inch from the wheel well and looked kinda funny?
Ford Racing website tech notes for this "Black Ford Racing Mustang Wheel," part no. M-1007-F500B:
• Fits 1994-04 [Mustang]
• 5-lug, 4.50'' bolt circle, 5.98'' backspacing
• 18''x 9'' wide
• Includes Ford Racing center cap
• Cast in Ford Racing logo
Also, if the backspacing is off, can't a good wheel shop customize it to fit?
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studio460
[formally NBCshooter]
Okay, here's the old thread that Donny started on these wheels:
Ford Racing Wheel Thread
Here's what joflewbyu2 said in a post in that thread:
" . . . Our MM rims are 18x8 with a 50 mm offset. This means the mating surface is 50mm from the centerline of the rim. If our wheels are 8" wide, our centerline is at the 4" mark and from there the surface is 50mm. 25.4 mm is equal to 1 inch - so ourwheels are 4" x 25.4 plus 50mm divided by 25.4 = 5.968 Now those wheels are 9" wide so as they sit on a MM, the inside will sit in the same spot but the outside dimension will be 1" further out."
Donny, you posted a photo of a Marauder with those wheels to show how they looked sticking out 1", but it's no longer there (and as I recall, I personally, did think it looked a little funny sticking out like that). Can you post that picture again here, please?
And what about those "negative unspacers" anyway?
Ford Racing Wheel Thread
Here's what joflewbyu2 said in a post in that thread:
" . . . Our MM rims are 18x8 with a 50 mm offset. This means the mating surface is 50mm from the centerline of the rim. If our wheels are 8" wide, our centerline is at the 4" mark and from there the surface is 50mm. 25.4 mm is equal to 1 inch - so ourwheels are 4" x 25.4 plus 50mm divided by 25.4 = 5.968 Now those wheels are 9" wide so as they sit on a MM, the inside will sit in the same spot but the outside dimension will be 1" further out."
Donny, you posted a photo of a Marauder with those wheels to show how they looked sticking out 1", but it's no longer there (and as I recall, I personally, did think it looked a little funny sticking out like that). Can you post that picture again here, please?
And what about those "negative unspacers" anyway?
Pantherman
Member
See http://www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html for a good description of offset/backspacing. All things are relative, but once you get past the physical clearance issues, decreasing offset increases bearing, ball joint, and steering gear loads and makes the car more likely to wander at high speeds. A little change would be insignificant, but one inch is quite a bit.
Donny Carlson
New member
As Todd mentioned, these wheels are on Scott's Mark VIII (well, the polished version), so what I need to do is talk to him AND get some photos.
I think these wheel will fit an MM, but the unanswered question was what their offset was. These are 9" wheels as opposed to our 8", with just shy of 6" backspacing compared to our 6.5" backspacing.
Offset is the difference between the location of the landing pad and the center line of the wheel. What the offset of the FRP wheel is us not known (I guess a phone call needs to be made)
But consider this --
MM wheels are 8" with a 50 mm offset, yes? 50 mm is just shy of 2 inches.
Therefore the landing pad is 2 inches outboard of the centerline, making the backspacing (the distance from the landing pad to the edge of the wheel) 6 inches. (begs the question where the 6.5 inch backspacing quoted is coming from, unless measurement is including the bead).
The FRP wheels are 9", offset unknown, but we do know the backspacing is just shy of 6", which places the landing pad 1.5 inches outboard of centerline (4.5"), making the offset 38mm.
Therefor, from the landing pad, the FRP wheels will extend 6" into the wheel well, or the same as the Marauder wheel.
The question of how much will "stick out" of the well..., well, the Marauder wheel landing pad sits 2 inches outboard of centerline, centerline is at 4 inches. The FRP wheel sits 1.5 inches outboard of centerline, centerline is at 4.5 inches. The difference is 1 inch, as posted before. These wheels will fit, with no difference in the inside clearance, but will extend out 1 inch more than Marauder wheels.
So, the final question - will it look "funny" or look okay. Well, here's the shot of the Marauder Dennis had the 9" wide 18" wheels on, you tell me what you think.
And one final shot showing a solution that is not as expensive as you would think... adding wheel flares. These are shots on the Gator Customs website showing flares being added. Do this, and any questions about these wheels sticking out become moot.
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I think these wheel will fit an MM, but the unanswered question was what their offset was. These are 9" wheels as opposed to our 8", with just shy of 6" backspacing compared to our 6.5" backspacing.
Offset is the difference between the location of the landing pad and the center line of the wheel. What the offset of the FRP wheel is us not known (I guess a phone call needs to be made)
But consider this --
MM wheels are 8" with a 50 mm offset, yes? 50 mm is just shy of 2 inches.
Therefore the landing pad is 2 inches outboard of the centerline, making the backspacing (the distance from the landing pad to the edge of the wheel) 6 inches. (begs the question where the 6.5 inch backspacing quoted is coming from, unless measurement is including the bead).
The FRP wheels are 9", offset unknown, but we do know the backspacing is just shy of 6", which places the landing pad 1.5 inches outboard of centerline (4.5"), making the offset 38mm.
Therefor, from the landing pad, the FRP wheels will extend 6" into the wheel well, or the same as the Marauder wheel.
The question of how much will "stick out" of the well..., well, the Marauder wheel landing pad sits 2 inches outboard of centerline, centerline is at 4 inches. The FRP wheel sits 1.5 inches outboard of centerline, centerline is at 4.5 inches. The difference is 1 inch, as posted before. These wheels will fit, with no difference in the inside clearance, but will extend out 1 inch more than Marauder wheels.
So, the final question - will it look "funny" or look okay. Well, here's the shot of the Marauder Dennis had the 9" wide 18" wheels on, you tell me what you think.
And one final shot showing a solution that is not as expensive as you would think... adding wheel flares. These are shots on the Gator Customs website showing flares being added. Do this, and any questions about these wheels sticking out become moot.
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Petrograde
Senior Member
Fender flares?.... hmm,... I'd have to a Marauder with them to make up my mind. I'm having a hard time visualizing this.....
SergntMac
Shelby GT X2--Back In Black
I think they look quite different from the wheels I thought were being discussed here, the FR500s. The wheels in this pic were production line options for the '03 Cobra, and came standard on the '04 Cobra. They are 17X8, 5/4.5, but I don't have the offset/backspacing handy. IMHO...I think they look pretty cool, and I considered a set myself at one time, until another idea came through.Donny Carlson said:So, the final question - will it look "funny" or look okay. Well, here's the shot of the Marauder Dennis had the 9" wide 18" wheels on, you tell me what you think.
BTW, does any know if the Ford Racing center cap will fit the MM wheel?
Donny Carlson
New member
Don't know about the cap, though it would be logical if it did.SergntMac said:
The Cobra wheel shown on Dennis' car is this -
• 5-lug, 4.50' bolt circle, 5.98' backspacing
• 17' x 9'
Note that it has the same specs as the FR500 wheel, only it's 17" not 18"
The back spacing is the same, and the offset should be the same, ie 38mm
Same logic; centerline is 4.5 inches, landing pad is 6 inches from the inner wheel edge, placing it 1.5 inches negative offset, or 38mm approx.