CT Shooting
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Vortex
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You bring up a good point. These psychotics crave attention and dont care if it happens after they are dead. I dont know what the answer is but Im damn sure open to discussing the options. I dont have kids but I really feel for those in Connecticut today.
Bluerauder
CAMaraudin' in Virginia
Over the coming weeks, I suspect that we will hear more about the shooter than we ever hoped to hear.
The emerging details start to paint a picture .... at least for me. The boy killed his mother first. He had a problem at home and maybe felt that he was not getting the attention from his mother that he thought he deserved. News reports indicate that he had a personality disorder. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he thought that he was in direct competition with the school kids for his mother's time and affection. After killing his mother, he took the next logical step to eliminate the threat/competition at the school and targetted the kids and teachers. At some point, his rage subsided and he killed himself after the realization that things were only worse now and not better as his distorted brain lead him to believe. That's kinda how I see it for now ... as we wait for the assessments of the motive from the experts.
Such a sad and tragic event. :bigcry:
There will be much gnashing of teeth over how this could ever happen and how everyone wants to prevent it from happening again. Simple fact is that YOU CAN'T. There are 19,000 high schools in the USA. So, that means probably 38,000 Middle Schools and roughly 114,000 elementary schools. That is pretty close to 175,000 schools when you factor in private and specialty schools. Put 2 security guards in each school and you still can't guarantee absolute safety. Assign Secret Service security to every school kid 24/7 and you STILL cannot guarantee absolute safety.
Yes, there are some things that can be done to minimize such a threat/occurrence. However, the chances of this happening at all are pretty small to begin with. That is thin consolation to the parents, family and friends of the victims in Sandy Hook, CT where it DID happen just like Columbine, VA Tech, and the Amish School in PA.
What's more is that I think as a society, we may be headed in a direction where such an event is even more common than it is now. We've been conditioned that we are not supposed to Judge anyone. Don't do anything that might damage the fragile Self-Esteem of another. The absolute worst thing that you can do is to Disrespect someone and that is grounds for killing them. We have insisted that God has no place in schools or in the public square, yet are surprised when something like this happens.
If you look like an Fn nutcase, dress like an Fn nutcase, act like an Fn nutcase .... don't be surprised if I treat you like an Fn nutcase.
Take a look at the photo circulating on this CT shooter and draw your own conclusions.
The emerging details start to paint a picture .... at least for me. The boy killed his mother first. He had a problem at home and maybe felt that he was not getting the attention from his mother that he thought he deserved. News reports indicate that he had a personality disorder. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he thought that he was in direct competition with the school kids for his mother's time and affection. After killing his mother, he took the next logical step to eliminate the threat/competition at the school and targetted the kids and teachers. At some point, his rage subsided and he killed himself after the realization that things were only worse now and not better as his distorted brain lead him to believe. That's kinda how I see it for now ... as we wait for the assessments of the motive from the experts.
Such a sad and tragic event. :bigcry:
There will be much gnashing of teeth over how this could ever happen and how everyone wants to prevent it from happening again. Simple fact is that YOU CAN'T. There are 19,000 high schools in the USA. So, that means probably 38,000 Middle Schools and roughly 114,000 elementary schools. That is pretty close to 175,000 schools when you factor in private and specialty schools. Put 2 security guards in each school and you still can't guarantee absolute safety. Assign Secret Service security to every school kid 24/7 and you STILL cannot guarantee absolute safety.
Yes, there are some things that can be done to minimize such a threat/occurrence. However, the chances of this happening at all are pretty small to begin with. That is thin consolation to the parents, family and friends of the victims in Sandy Hook, CT where it DID happen just like Columbine, VA Tech, and the Amish School in PA.
What's more is that I think as a society, we may be headed in a direction where such an event is even more common than it is now. We've been conditioned that we are not supposed to Judge anyone. Don't do anything that might damage the fragile Self-Esteem of another. The absolute worst thing that you can do is to Disrespect someone and that is grounds for killing them. We have insisted that God has no place in schools or in the public square, yet are surprised when something like this happens.
If you look like an Fn nutcase, dress like an Fn nutcase, act like an Fn nutcase .... don't be surprised if I treat you like an Fn nutcase.
Take a look at the photo circulating on this CT shooter and draw your own conclusions.
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Ozark Marauder
SR-71 "HABU"
As my son went to middle school and high school in a small city, with less than 10 murders a year, most all were related to family domestic violence issues, I always wondered why they needed in-school resource officers, limited electronic entrance and exit points during school hours, random back pack and locker checks, and police patrols in the parking lot. Now I do....
You can't stop crazy, all you can do is be prepared.
I pray for the lost, the parents, and especially the surviving students, whose lives are forever changed.
OZ
You can't stop crazy, all you can do is be prepared.
I pray for the lost, the parents, and especially the surviving students, whose lives are forever changed.
OZ
Over the coming weeks, I suspect that we will hear more about the shooter than we ever hoped to hear.
The emerging details start to paint a picture .... at least for me. The boy killed his mother first. He had a problem at home and maybe felt that he was not getting the attention from his mother that he thought he deserved. News reports indicate that he had a personality disorder. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he thought that he was in direct competition with the school kids for his mother's time and affection. After killing his mother, he took the next logical step to eliminate the threat/competition at the school and targetted the kids and teachers. At some point, his rage subsided and he killed himself after the realization that things were only worse now and not better as his distorted brain lead him to believe. That's kinda how I see it for now ... as we wait for the assessments of the motive from the experts.
Such a sad and tragic event. :bigcry:
There will be much gnashing of teeth over how this could ever happen and how everyone wants to prevent it from happening again. Simple fact is that YOU CAN'T. There are 19,000 high schools in the USA. So, that means probably 38,000 Middle Schools and roughly 114,000 elementary schools. That is pretty close to 175,000 schools when you factor in private and specialty schools. Put 2 security guards in each school and you still can't guarantee absolute safety. Assign Secret Service security to every school kid 24/7 and you STILL cannot guarantee absolute safety.
Yes, there are some things that can be done to minimize such a threat/occurrence. However, the chances of this happening at all are pretty small to begin with. That is thin consolation to the parents, family and friends of the victims in Sandy Hook, CT where it DID happen just like Columbine, VA Tech, and the Amish School in PA.
What's more is that I think as a society, we may be headed in a direction where such an event is even more common than it is now. We've been conditioned that we are not supposed to Judge anyone. Don't do anything that might damage the fragile Self-Esteem of another. The absolute worst thing that you can do is to Disrespect someone and that is grounds for killing them. We have insisted that God has no place in schools or in the public square, yet are surprised when something like this happens.
If you look like an Fn nutcase, dress like an Fn nutcase, act like an Fn nutcase .... don't be surprised if I treat you like an Fn nutcase.
Was his mother possibly killed trying to stop him?
PonyUP
Bikinis,Burnout,Busted, & Beer
Worse idea possible.
Don't think it's a good idea to have teachers have a beretta on the hip while teaching English, if the gun is in the desk, it would have made no difference.
Having a gun does not guarantee a prevention of a tragedy.
Increase security, increase a police presence, restrict outside access, but giving teachers a gun thinking they could prevent this is incredibly nieve in my opinion
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My thoughts were this. I think it would be a good idea to have one armed guard at the schools. I also think two physically abled teachers should be taught trained and armed, be it a gun or stun gun. Of course they should go through a yearly refresher course too. It's a great line of defense until more help arrives. It just may make a person think twice about going into a school or it may make that armed person duck for cover for a few minutes buying innocent children and teachers more time to escape.
It's no guarantee. But nothing ever is and it's better than nothing.
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It's no guarantee. But nothing ever is and it's better than nothing.
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Haggis
It's a dry heat
Still will not prevent all tragedies. What needs to be done is a sentence to fit the crime instead of a slap on the wrist and released in 2-3yrs.
PonyUP
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guspech750
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Yeah. I like it and it's a tax increase I'd be willing to and i bet many other people would accept.
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My wife is a 3rd grade school teacher and it just so happened they were put on Lock Down the same day. They had a child on the opposite block from her room to get taken away from his dad because he hit him and gave him a black eye. What makes it even worse is this is a special needs child. If most of you feel the way I felt when I heard this, I feel this idiot needs one big ASS beatin of his own. Anyway, the child was taken away and the dad made threats against the teacher, principal, and the Super Intendent. So.... that long story to say this, I totally agree with what was mentioned above. Someone def would need to be trained and have cont training throughout the year. That would be something I would pay for out my own pocket! I am all about keeping my wife and kids protected but a school should be one of the safest places for a child and the teachers. Whatever it takes to protect our innocent babies! What happened in CT was nothing but plain EVIL!
PonyUP
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Probably not even a need for a tax increase. Federal education funding is mostly eaten up by administrative cost with approximately 10% reaching the classroom, clean that up and we could pay for it
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guspech750
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Yes. I've seen articles on the perks these superintendents receive is sickening. Salaries in the 2 to $300,000+, free cars, personal loans forgiven at tax payers expenses, free trips to lavish resorts for so called work related conferences, huge pensions and much more. There is plenty of money to go to the schools for anything that's needed to teach and secure our teacher and children.
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IwantmyMMnow!
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Just read an article that came on line about 2 hours ago.
All the kids were 1st-graders, 6 or 7 years old.
I'm at a total loss for words right now....
All the kids were 1st-graders, 6 or 7 years old.
I'm at a total loss for words right now....
Bluerauder
CAMaraudin' in Virginia
This ^^^^^ statement is misleading and mostly incorrect.
Using the Prince William County, VA School Budget as an example, total funding for schools is $936.9 Million for about 80,000 students.
Local County funding provides 46% (primarily from RE and Personal Property taxes)
State of Virginia provides another 46% (primarily from VA Income taxes)
Federal support is about 8% (from Fed Income taxes)
The 8% from the Feds is what is considered "Categorical" funding and is targeted for specific uses. This money $75 Million is earmarked for programs that support Special Education or Educational/Economically Disadvantaged Students. It is unlikely that ANY money would be diverted from the Federal pot to support increased security. In fact, under the current "rules", it CANNOT be diverted to other uses.
So adding security staff for all of the schools would result in an increase of either State or Local funding requirements or both. That means a tax increase unless something else is cut. My experience is that schools are very reluctant to cut anything. The first thing they argue is that it will increase the student-teacher ratio or prevent any teacher salary increases. That is their Gold Watch. Truth is that the administration (at the PWCS Headquarters) is overly bloated and could be trimmed fairly easily IMHO.
Even if additional security were funded for each school, it would not guarantee this would never happen again. One or two security guards can only be in so many places at once. In an elementary school with 500-600 students with 30 or more classrooms and many other offices, libraries, etc., that leaves alot of areas "uncovered".
This shooter did not come through the main entrance, he shot out windows and came in a non-traditional entrance. Unless there was one of these security guard right there, by the time one of them could reach the scene the shooter could squeeze off many rounds. The shooting at Fort Hood, TX proves this as there were armed Military Police in the same processing room as the shooter in that case. Even then, he was able to get off a ******** of shots before he was shot and subdued.
Would I support a tax increase to improve safety and security in the schools? YES. Am I naive enough to believe that it is an absolute guarantee of safety for the kids? NO I am not.
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Guittard22
punish the road
Prayers go out to the victims and their love ones it's a dam shame that so many young ones lost there life to a guy that was mad at his mother. This happen 2 towns over from my girl friends family lives. Hit's you hard when it's close to home like this.
WHY DO PPL DO THINGS LIKE THIS !!!!
WHY DO PPL DO THINGS LIKE THIS !!!!
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