Emission testing, need advice.
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justbob
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Good call Waymon. Also not sure if they still support the 2's anymore, but maybe call SCT?
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justbob
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Who cares about Zacks tune if you can't even drive the car?
Call SCT, figure it out, then pucker up and kiss Zacks ass for another one. Or quit being cheap and buy a new Xcal and pay for a tune like the rest of us! LOL
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Motorhead350
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There is a difference between being cheap and being a musician. LOL
Screw it, I will email him. Worst case is I get insulted again.
Screw it, I will email him. Worst case is I get insulted again.
justbob
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Don't forget the difference of 3 kids and ZERO! LOL
No money tree over here..
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Goodnight. Zzzzzzzz
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Yup nothing "wrong" with your car it is communicating just fine or it wouldn't report that the items as "not supported" because they are turned off in the tune.
You can have a performance tune with the required items supported. Turning off the miss fire, O2 sensors, O2 sensor heaters, EGR flow, Cat Con effeciency, and Evap system monitors does not help performance.
You can have a performance tune with the required items supported. Turning off the miss fire, O2 sensors, O2 sensor heaters, EGR flow, Cat Con effeciency, and Evap system monitors does not help performance.
ajdereicup
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Finally found it. Apparently the guy circled all of the nonsupported after I kept complaining about how I passed last time with the same readouts and his reasoning was that possibly they had new computers which made no sense to me and he said they didn't change what they looked for which I found out later wasn't true. He wasn't the happiest nor was I. I do remember him looking up previous tests for the car from before it was modified and him showing me it on his computer and it showed what sensors weren't disabled. So maybe if you can see the readout on a stock MM you can see what sensors are there from the factory and enable them. Because some of the sensors like I said he hadn't circled that they were looking for originally before he apparently got frustrated enough to just circle them all and say nothing is supported and hand me a book about how to get it fixed
ajdereicup
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And yeah what EMAS says is right if I'm reading what your saying right. If they're getting readouts saying not enabled it has to be able to be communicating with your computer to be able to test it.
Motorhead350
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Looks like I will be making some calls tomorrow.
Thanks guys.
Thanks guys.
Limited360
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They have a template from the OEM's they compare against, 'not supported' coming up for Catmon or O2 mom implies an aftermarket tune regardless if it's for performance or not. Also if the CVN or Calibration ID doesn't line up they can deny you based on that. Also soon it will be a checksum comparison, which implies if any value is changed the checksum will be different. It's only going to get worse over the next few years.
Best of luck!
Best of luck!
Motorhead350
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Awesome. I love this.
I love the EPA, I love Zack and above all I love having to spend extra $$$ when everything is functioning properly.
So much win.
I love the EPA, I love Zack and above all I love having to spend extra $$$ when everything is functioning properly.
So much win.
1 Bad Merc
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Funny I am frickin' winning too! I even bought extra emulators that still dont work (.02's still not showing up) and I am still messing with the tune. I am very sure I have more time and money into passing this then you do since I started this odyssey in early July.
Man up and quit your cryin' or go buy a Honda!
Limited360
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All these checks keep me employed and paying my salary. So thanks for coming up with ways to defeat and get around the checks, gives us something to work on for next year to make it even more difficult! *evilgrin* I do feel good knowing I am saving the world from pollution!!
1 Bad Merc
"Pathetic Earthlings"
You do know our cars have been compliant for at least 4 years so when we crack the program then you should have some job security.
Your not really saving the world from pollution but if it makes you feel better thinking that then more power to you. :thinker:
lji372
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Limited360
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I do OBDII calibration. I determine if a sensor is present, functioning and passed its check. OBDII is the single source for providing a vehicle with cleaner tail pipe emissions for the life of the vehicle(120k or 150k miles, whatever it's certified to).
The whole concept of OBDII is to turn the MIL on when the vehicle is emitting more than 1.5x the emissions standard the car was certified to, so please explain to me how that process is not helping to save the world from pollution? If you don't pass Inspection your emitting to much emissions, job done in my book.
Keep in mind I drive a car with with no catalysts and no diagnostics for half the crap required, luckily I don't live in a CARB compliant greenie state!
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"Pathetic Earthlings"
I do OBDII calibration. I determine if a sensor is present, functioning and passed its check. OBDII is the single source for providing a vehicle with cleaner tail pipe emissions for the life of the vehicle(120k or 150k miles, whatever it's certified to).
The whole concept of OBDII is to turn the MIL on when the vehicle is emitting more than 1.5x the emissions standard the car was certified to, so please explain to me how that process is not helping to save the world from pollution? If you don't pass Inspection your emitting to much emissions, job done in my book.
Keep in mind I drive a car with with no catalysts and no diagnostics for half the crap required, luckily I don't live in a CARB compliant greenie state!
Sorry you are a diagnostic OBDII Calibrator/Technician (?) because I really dont like you guys right now
Nothing personal but this stuff is becoming a pita!To me the whole concept of testing cars is just a state money grab deal. It's a way to reward some companies that donate to their political campaigns and allows them to employ some political workers under the guise of helping clean the enviroment.
If the states were serious and really wanted to clean-up the environment then they would be testing every vehicle (bus, Semi, motorcycle) that rolls down the highway. Most modern cars emit far less pollution today then they did 20 years ago but the trucks just seem to keep on going.
I cant tell you how many semi's I see rolling down the highway spewing all kinds of black crap out of their exhaust pipes day and night but no one seems to care about that.
Couple the trucks with all the gross pollution we get from the local refineries and coal plants (you know the ones that trade tax credits for lighter emission requirements or those plants that are grandfathered in ) , etc. etc. -automobiles nowadays add a very miniscule amount of pollution to our every day environment.
With the way China/Southeast Asia and other third world countries are polluting the environment do you really believe your tiny little fraction of a bit is going to make a worldwide difference?
So my point is that if that concept/belief that you are actually accomplishing something to keep the evironment clean is what gets you out of bed in the morning and gets you juiced to work every day then more power to you my friend! :beer:
Limited360
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Sorry you are a diagnostic OBDII Calibrator/Technician (?) because I really dont like you guys right now
To me the whole concept of testing cars is just a state money grab deal. It's a way to reward some companies that donate to their political campaigns and allows them to employ some political workers under the guise of helping clean the enviroment.
If the states were serious and really wanted to clean-up the environment then they would be testing every vehicle (bus, Semi, motorcycle) that rolls down the highway. Most modern cars emit far less pollution today then they did 20 years ago but the trucks just seem to keep on going.
I cant tell you how many semi's I see rolling down the highway spewing all kinds of black crap out of their exhaust pipes day and night but no one seems to care about that.
Couple the trucks with all the gross pollution we get from the local refineries and coal plants (you know the ones that trade tax credits for lighter emission requirements or those plants that are grandfathered in ) , etc. etc. -automobiles nowadays add a very miniscule amount of pollution to our every day environment.
With the way China/Southeast Asia and other third world countries are polluting the environment do you really believe your tiny little fraction of a bit is going to make a worldwide difference?
So my point is that if that concept/belief that you are actually accomplishing something to keep the evironment clean is what gets you out of bed in the morning and gets you juiced to work every day then more power to you my friend! :beer:
Actually OBD compliance is now in effect as of 2014 on heavy duty vehicles both on road and off road. So even a bull dozer has in use compliance testing. To your point of the Asia and other countries.... I completely agree. But we have to take the steps as the leaders. The paycheck gets me out of bed... As stated I drive cars with no catalysts and custom tunes....
I agree that it's laughable when you look at the contribution of emissions from cars compared to any other vehicle fleets it's absolutely minuscule. That being said it still gives me a serious amount of job security. European and Asian companies and countries are following the US lead it's just they are years behind us....
Excuse my grammar and typing, on pain meds and Valium from back surgery... Can I post the picture of the staples in my back or will I get banned for being to graphic?
Yes the compliance is laughable but it will not be getting any easier in the coming future based on the conferences I have been to this year where they discuss how to beat tuners. It makes me upset targeting tuners and modified cars because that Is all I own. Even my daily beater Camaro has no catalyst and is tuned for lean cruise for fuel consumption. If fail a compliance test in a heart beat as almost all diagnostics are shut off and I'm running Australian software on the US!!!
* subject to correct when sober from pain meds *