Musclemerc's CAI Kit

[sailsmen]

Perhaps a better word than ambient would be the EATC Outside temp reading.

FYI, the EATC Outside temp sensor for my MM is not in the stock location.

As stated we are trying to figure out how the IAT could be less than the "outside temp".

Technically I think MuscleMerc is correct in that Ambient means around an area, in this case around the EATC Outside Temp sensor.

Depending on location the EATC Outside Temp sensor can read higher than outside temp.

 

[musclemerc]

I'm curious about getting cooler than ambient as well, logic (to me anyway) would indicate that your could match ambient by drawing in outside air, but how can you get below it without some sort of mechanical cooling? (Not doubting you can do it, I'm just not smart enough to get it figgered out... )

I cant tell you guys everything I do to make my kits work, some parts of my construction are proprietary. It needs to stay that way until my patent application is finished being processed

I don't know about using the outside temp readout as a accurate measuring device of ambient temperature. Mine is all over the place and I could have 3 cars parked beside me and we would all be a degree or two off on the display.

Were not talking about 1 or 2 degrees, my kit is 10*~15* cooler than anything out there

Perhaps a better word than ambient would be the EATC Outside temp reading.

FYI, the EATC Outside temp sensor for my MM is not in the stock location.

As stated we are trying to figure out how the IAT could be less than the "outside temp".

Technically I think MuscleMerc is correct in that Ambient means around an area, in this case around the EATC Outside Temp sensor.

Depending on location the EATC Outside Temp sensor can read higher than outside temp.

Keep moving the goal posts. My temp sensor is in the stock location and works just fine. How can you dispute the fact that I tested several CAI kits and got VERY diffrent results only when mine was tested.

I want to keep my thread on track. This is my CAI thread not my IAT thread. Any additional comments about ITAs need to be posted here:

http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71010

Everyone can get envolved and comment (Pops) its in the Shop Forum

 

[SC Cheesehead]

I cant tell you guys everything I do to make my kits work, some parts of my construction are proprietary. It needs to stay that way until my patent application is finished being processed

Gotcha, I wasn't thinking outside the box (so to speak... ).

 

[jstevens]

keep bring'un the competition. Its healthy.

 

[sailsmen]

No goal post being moved here and no facts are being disputed. Discussion is to understand the data and to learn. That is what this board is all about.

When I and probably others see "Your IATs will be -BELOW AMBIENT TEMP" I mistakenly assume ambient as being outside air temp. I now realize ambient is the EATC sensor reading.

Looking at your design I have not doubt your CAI has the lowest IATs for it is the only one I know of that draws outside air.:snowman:

I moved my EATC sensor closer to the front grill to read closer to outside air temps.

Are you claiming your materials extract heat while not absorbing the heat from underhood resulting in air passing thru the CAI that is lower than the outside temp? If so that is also more than what any other CAI does that I know of.

 

[J.bo]

Where is the EATC sensor located? Moving the sensor closer to the grill gains a better reading for the tune or what? Moving the sensor did it benefit what you were trying to do and do you think it better off closer to the grille for any application?

 

[musclemerc]

Hey J.Bo, the IAT discussion has moved to here:
http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71010

 

[SpartaPerformance]

Looks interesting especially being it can be used both driver and passenger inlet forced induction, what does it flow compared to the mainstream kits? Any CFM comparison?

 

[justbob]

This is why I have no interest in fabbing and selling. Air flow, dyno results, ETC. This will never be a massed produced part that would make a profit from such tests. This is a CAI made by a good standing member that claims MUCH lower IAT's and him, just like most here, I trust. I totally get the questioning, but at the same time he needs to make a profit, and I do not want pay a premium for those facts.

Thanks Travis, I will be in touch the second I scrape some dough.

 

[SpartaPerformance]

This is why I have no interest in fabbing and selling. Air flow, dyno results, ETC. This will never be a massed produced part that would make a profit from such tests. This is a CAI made by a good standing member that claims MUCH lower IAT's and him, just like most here, I trust. I totally get the questioning, but at the same time he needs to make a profit, and I do not want pay a premium for those facts.

Thanks Travis, I will be in touch the second I scrape some dough.

What? Testing doesn't cost that much where it would impact profit. When I tested my parts it cost me the initial set, for example the front A-arm bushings I'm sending to one of my clients to test on a cop car to see how they perform so it's costing me a set of bushings and I out of curiosity want to know if they work. It's not that expensive to flow test a CAI as for comparison all you have to do is call other manufacturers and ask them CFM rates on theirs wont dent Travis' profit margin but will benefit him with more information on his unit when other ask him about it

 

[justbob]

What? Testing doesn't cost that much where it would impact profit. When I tested my parts it cost me the initial set, for example the front A-arm bushings I'm sending to one of my clients to test on a cop car to see how they perform so it's costing me a set of bushings and I out of curiosity want to know if they work. It's not that expensive to flow test a CAI as for comparison all you have to do is call other manufacturers and ask them CFM rates on theirs wont dent Travis' profit margin but will benefit him with more information on his unit when other ask him about it

Then you are basing the wear and tear on a single car in one environment. What kind of real world time would you have to wait for longevity results then? That's even less scientific than what was claimed here. And as for comfort, who decides? One officer? Two? I appreciate what BOTH of you have done for us and always looking for something new to make, but what you are doing is truly no different than what Travis did. Once again, that works for me, your stuff AND his.