Procharger Challenges Trilogy to Race

I don't know what is worse here now, the "mine is better than yours" war, the "centrifucal vs roots type" war or the "union bashing" that I have endured for the last year. All I can say is that site has really changed over the last year. It used to be fun when we all came here to talk about the car we loved. Now everything turns to insults. There are people here that I have met and can say that I am glad that I have met. There are others here now that I really don't care if I ever meet. Like mercman said you guys should be out picking on Impallas and 300C's and all those damn imports, not each other. If someone wants to spend their money on any of the different blowers on the market, let them. "IT IS THEIR CHOICE"!! Let's get back to what brought us all here, the love for one car and the few really good friends that we may meet along the way.
 
Hmmmm, there's something I don't understand here...... If TMAC andNCK are both so anxious to run a Trilogy car, then why weren't either one of them at the race track to race Jerry Barnes when he was right there just the other week racing in TMAC's home state? After all, Jerry made the announcement well in advance that he would be racing there. Have I missed something? :confused:


And as far as any competition rules go, I think you guys should be willing to throw some drag radials on your cars, and race the Trilogy cars with drag radials. Anybody that's even halfway serious about drag racing runs drag radials.Even many of the ricer boys at the track are running drag radials on their cars. So haven't the Procharger guys even evolved in the racing circles as much as the ricers have yet? :P
 
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This should be interesting, Trilogy /ProCharger. What ever the out come they are both great Kits.
 
Tom was at Bradenton, when Jerry blew up Trilogy #1. He was in the car show. I saw his car and its a nice set-up, he just hadn't had it tuned for the Procharger yet. It sucks that people are taking offense to a nice friendly challenge. Everyone know Jerry doesn't make the only Supercharger Kit in this club. Dennis Reinhart has a nice procharger kit as well. It really comes down to, can you put the power to the pavement and keep it in a straight line. I personally like the Trilogy kit for looks (Factory), but I would take either one if I had the money. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!
 
BillGman, We did not race Jerry Barnes because there was no need to but Lidio made a post yesterday talking about Centrifical blowers not really being right for a 4200 lb car and he is intitled to his opnion. He stated that you have to have other mods to make ia cenntrifical blower work. I feel that is not true and that's when I put out a friendly challenge to have a Trilogy car and a Prochager car run down the track under the following conditions.

1. 93 octane gas

2. Factory rear tires

3. Two cars with the same or close to the same mods.

4. Both cars must be at operating tempature.


The reason I want to use the factory rear tires is because that is what most people drive on everyday. I don't drive my car every day on drag tires.

Like I previously stated we have a car in Florida that has the following mods:

Procharger standard kit
Flowmaster Mufflers
4:10 Gears

I can't do anything about the gears they were already on the car and we are not taking them out to prove a point.

This is nothing more than a friendly race.

I really don't care if we win or loose .

Let's just get this done so we can start kicking some Impala a**.

If you anyone wants to see a time slip, this is your chance.







BillyGman said:
Hmmmm, there's something I don't understand here...... If TMAC andNCK are both so anxious to run a Trilogy car, then why weren't either one of them at the race track to race Jerry Barnes when he was right there just the other week racing in TMAC's home state? After all, Jerry made the announcement well in advance that he would be racing there. Have I missed something? :confused:


And as far as any competition rules go, I think you guys should be willing to throw some drag radials on your cars, and race the Trilogy cars with drag radials. Anybody that's even halfway serious about drag racing runs drag radials.Even many of the ricer boys at the track are running drag radials on their cars. So haven't the Procharger guys even evolved in the racing circles as much as the ricers have yet? :P
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Dennis has a Vortech kit not a Procharger kit and yes we should all be able to get along.

03whitemach said:
Tom was at Bradenton, when Jerry blew up Trilogy #1. He was in the car show. I saw his car and its a nice set-up, he just hadn't had it tuned for the Procharger yet. It sucks that people are taking offense to a nice friendly challenge. Everyone know Jerry doesn't make the only Supercharger Kit in this club. Dennis Reinhart has a nice procharger kit as well. It really comes down to, can you put the power to the pavement and keep it in a straight line. I personally like the Trilogy kit for looks (Factory), but I would take either one if I had the money. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!
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tmac1337 said:
To All Members..A head to head challenge has been made by MarauderTJA to race a Trilogy equipped vehicle at Bradenton Speedway in FL.
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Boy, talk about dumping gas on the fire!

Why don't you just post some time slips, like everyone else?

And, while we're at it, what about the Kenny Brown cars? I'll hold Haggis' MM up as one of the best examples of a "total" performance package out there. (sorry for dragging you into this, Gordon) I think when we're talking mods, we're also talking performance, and doing 12sec ET's isn't the whole story. If low ET's are all you're interested in, then the best bang for the buck is nitrous.

I believe, in discussions about performance, we start to confuse cost with outcome. My friend Bobby Berger, a super engine builder from Leitersburg, MD said it best: "Speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?". I'll add something else; how well (read safely) do you want to go fast, and for how long? ;)
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This might start something else, but I think prior timeslips don't mean anything. You read that correctly. I don't think dynos mean anything, either. They're all well and good for theory, but not performance in a race.

I think all that matters is what you can lay down on request. In a heat. One shot, head to head.

You can have good odds who will be the winner by using timeslips and dynos, but the race is proof. It's "big dance" time where anyone can beat anyone.

Of course, this is coming from a professional musician who tells his students "I don't care what you played at home, it's what you play on stage that counts," so I'm a bit biased.

My N/A car can beat a Trilogy car. To 150,000 miles, that is. :P

Go race and have fun already. I can't wait to see Mark's car in May.

-A
 
maraudernkc said:
The reason I want to use the factory rear tires is because that is what most people drive on everyday. I don't drive my car every day on drag tires.
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I'm not a big fan of drag slicks either...
I want to know what my Marauder can do on street tires, everyday, everytime.
I don't think that when you pull up next to that Camaro SS, Corvette, or Viper at a traffic light they will let you jump out and bolt on your racing slicks.
If you are torching the tires off the line, run Nitto 555R P305s on widened rims and be done with it.
 
Mike Poore said:
tmac1337 said:
To All Members..A head to head challenge has been made by MarauderTJA to race a Trilogy equipped vehicle at Bradenton Speedway in FL.
QUOTE]

Boy, talk about dumping gas on the fire!

Why don't you just post some time slips, like everyone else?

And, while we're at it, what about the Kenny Brown cars? I'll hold Haggis' MM up as one of the best examples of a "total" performance package out there. (sorry for dragging you into this, Gordon) I think when we're talking mods, we're also talking performance, and doing 12sec ET's isn't the whole story. If low ET's are all you're interested in, then the best bang for the buck is nitrous.

I believe, in discussions about performance, we start to confuse cost with outcome. My friend Bobby Berger, a super engine builder from Leitersburg, MD said it best: "Speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?". I'll add something else; how well (read safely) do you want to go fast, and for how long? ;)
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I've really enjoyed all of the posts made here by everybody, I wondered how long it would take for that word to come up. NITROUS, I know I'll be there in Bradenton if this every happens...Can't wait to see it...Tallboy, (Chuck) doesn't your car match this to the tee???
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Logan said:
Now, I'll go away now, y'all play nice now y'hear? I gotta go to Memphis tomorrow to go pick up my CTS-V so I can paste ALL your asses...Magnuson makes a lovely roots kit for the V...Hmmmm... :D

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Oh sh*t!:eek:
 
Logan said:
Only warning. Put the dicks back in the pants. NOW. If you can't take the man up on some clean honest fun and act like gentlemen, y'all can step right off the plank for a week or two.
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I haven't been on this website as often as before. But do we need to get this expressive?

This could be discriminatory language (offensive too) to some who lost theirs!
 
John F. Russo said:
This could be discriminatory language (offensive too) to some who lost theirs!
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Are you referring to the recently posted video of the DEA agent whose Glock went off 'half-cocked'??
 
Response from Jerry Barnes

maraudernkc said:
BillGman, We did not race Jerry Barnes because there was no need to but Lidio made a post yesterday talking about Centrifical blowers not really being right for a 4200 lb car and he is intitled to his opnion. He stated that you have to have other mods to make ia cenntrifical blower work. I feel that is not true and that's when I put out a friendly challenge to have a Trilogy car and a Prochager car run down the track under the following conditions.

1. 93 octane gas

2. Factory rear tires

3. Two cars with the same or close to the same mods.

4. Both cars must be at operating tempature.


The reason I want to use the factory rear tires is because that is what most people drive on everyday. I don't drive my car every day on drag tires.

Like I previously stated we have a car in Florida that has the following mods:

Procharger standard kit
Flowmaster Mufflers
4:10 Gears

I can't do anything about the gears they were already on the car and we are not taking them out to prove a point.

This is nothing more than a friendly race.

I really don't care if we win or loose .

Let's just get this done so we can start kicking some Impala a**.

If you anyone wants to see a time slip, this is your chance.
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Maraudernkc,

I am sure we will get the chance to race one day and I may lose, but I enjoy the lively conversatons about how we have improved our Marauders. There is nothing wrong with the discussions and they should continue. I remember we use to have these types of discussions with Dennis Reinhart Marauder Owners and now we are friends and frequently hang out together at the drag races. I hate to see all of us get caught up in these discussions when at the end of the day we will all get along.

As far as Lidio's opinion, it is just that, his opinion. But, I think he is one of the brightest and best tuners for Fords in the business and we are all glad to have him close by in Michigan. I think Lidio not only installs Trilogy kits, but a lot more Vortech kits for Mustangs. So, IT IS MY OPINION, that Lidio knows his stuff and we think that he has helped all of the Michigan Marauder Owners significantly. It is Lidio's bread and butter to know performance options and what works reliably. So when he expresses his opinion, with facts to back it up, we listen. And yes, we are a little bias with regard to Lidio, because we have all become close friends and business partners. So, when Lidio expressed his opinion, I don't think he intended to insult another persons opinion, just express his thoughts on the subject. And that's O.K, right?

As far as the Trilogy Supercharger approach vs. Dennis or Kenny or Procharger, etc. they all have there merits. We all have our own approach and feel we have worked to perfect that approach. There will be days when Dennis's approach may be faster and days that Trilogy's approach will be faster, the bottom line is that all of the customers have got cars that are a lot more fun to drive and we have given them choices. That's a good thing, right?

My good friend Mike Z. got banned from the web site last night for expressing his views and butting heads with Logan. This I do not like to see. Mike has been a great customer and very close friend. No car race is worth seeing Mike not be able to participate in these debates. He is very knowledgeable, has a ton of real world experience and everyone on this site benefits from input provided by people like Mike. I am going to get Logan and Mike together to see if we can all sing "cum bi yah" together(how ever you spell that). Superchargers aren't worth losing friends over!

And finally, Maraudernkc, I hope we meet someday soon so I can kick your a$$, just after I have snacked on a couple of Impala SS's(ha ha ha ha ha). Just friendly joking!!! And I will make sure my car only has street tires, 4:10 gears, fully tweaked exhaust, and a undisclosed forged bottom end of my motor. Ha ha, again!

See everyone at MVIII!!!

Jerry
 
Jerry Barnes said:
Maraudernkc, I am sure we will get the chance to race one day and I may lose, but I enjoy the lively conversatons about how we have improved our Marauders. .........See everyone at MVIII!!! Jerry
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Good post Jerry. I like your style, and hope to get the chance to shake your hand, buy you a beer ......and thrash the pi$$ out of your newly reconstructed Trillogy #1 at MVIII.

BTW Guys, if I put my 15.3 (my best run at the shootout) up against Barry, (who turned a 13.2) and he redlights, did I beat him? :D

What I'm saying here is; the winner of a race doesn't necessarily have the best/fastest car. ;)
 
repspomse from Jerry Barnes

tmac1337 said:
Trilogy #2 sounds like a matchup for Tom's Procharger car. Bring it down and let's get this done, or if you do not want to drive, provide one of your local cars.

Trilogy has been marketed as the only mod needed for the Marauder, so let see!
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Hey, I never said the Trilogy Supercharger is the only mod you ever need. My customers said that. But, I do think they are very bright and knowledgeable people!(ha ha ha ha)

Jerry
 
What kind of times do you actually gain by using drag radials vs street tires? I mean i ran my best on stock tires .so what would gain if i put on drags?A tenth or 2 ? or more? if you heat up the tires good they stick nicely for great start as the same with drags correct?
 
Another meaningless response from Jerry Barnes

O.K. Guys,

I am starting to get into the spirit of these threads. So here goes.

If one of my customers, IN FLORIDA, has to race you Maraudernkc then one of your customers in Michigan has to race me, right! Do you have any customers in Michigan? Do you have any other customers in any other of the 49 states? Other then the ProCharger you have on your car and your Mom's car, are there any other Procharger cars anywhere? I'm sure your Mom has a better reaction time then I do!

Oh, by the way, I can arrange a race in Saudi Arabia, I installed 2 superchargers on a Sheiks 2 Marauders. We could have the race in the sand, with stock tires, 4:10 gears and a camel in the truck(weight distribution you now).

We could call it the INTERNATIONAL GALACTIC MARAUDER RACE OF CHAMPIANS.

Just having some fun!!

Jerry
 
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Response from Jerry Barnes

MarauderMark said:
What kind of times do you actually gain by using drag radials vs street tires? I mean i ran my best on stock tires .so what would gain if i put on drags?A tenth or 2 ? or more? if you heat up the tires good they stick nicely for great start as the same with drags correct?
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MarauderMark,

The drag radials made a big difference for me. I was smokin my tires into second gear and the transmission was shifting all over the place because it did not know if I was really doing 55mph or spining the tires from a dead stop. So, I use bigger Nitto's on both cars. 305 drag radials on #1 and 295 555 extreme performance tires on #2.

Jerry
 
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