Turbocharged Coyote/6R80 Swap, Build/Discussion Thread, Pics, info inside!

96gt4.6 said:
Correct. It can be easily set up to stand alone, however you will have to have a relay box. I use this on most of my stand alone harness conversions:

http://www.currentperformance.com/shop/sa-1500-stand-alone-fuserelay-module/

As far as the OBD II port, easy to add in. You have to run two wires from the Coyote computer (CAN + and CAN -), and provide a power and ground to the DLC plug. That's it.

All of the circuits in question are located on the "Body" plug of the Coyote computer. This is the plug that goes to the PDB on the control pack.
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Excellent!

Wish I'd had that fuse/relay module way back when I did my last swap like this, I ended up with a gang of relays on the fenderwell.

Touched base with Eric Brooks on the epats removal, thanks for the referral.

So, it looks like the major roadblocks have been dealt with!
 
Al, do you, or will you, have the cruise hooked up and working on the coyote?

I'd like to figure out how to get it working with the steering wheel buttons on my Mustang when the time comes.
 
Very nice looking. Can't wait to see dyno no.s. Your project really helped me a lot in preparing to do swap to my MM. I have question regarding 4R70W tranny, will it fit with coyote engine or not ?
 
Talal DTR MM said:
Without need for aftermarket bell housing?
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Yes, the back of the 5.0 coyote block is the same pattern as the back of any mod motor V8.

If you have a 4R70w, or 4R75w from a 4.6 motor, it will bolt directly onto the 5.0 coyote as will any manual trans from a 4.6.

And, any 8-bolt mod motor flywheel or flexplate will bolt directly on as well.
 
Ltngdrvr said:
Al, do you, or will you, have the cruise hooked up and working on the coyote?

I'd like to figure out how to get it working with the steering wheel buttons on my Mustang when the time comes.
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Yes. I'm currently working out the details on getting mine wired up, more info on that to come this summer. The Mustang Coyote simply uses the wheel switches/resistors like the Marauder, the key will be the values which i'm currently working on.

Talal DTR MM said:
Very nice looking. Can't wait to see dyno no.s. Your project really helped me a lot in preparing to do swap to my MM. I have question regarding 4R70W tranny, will it fit with coyote engine or not ?
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Talal DTR MM said:
Without need for aftermarket bell housing?
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He is correct. Bolts right up. In my build video way back when I test fitted the coyote with the 4R70 that was in my car originally. If one wanted to use the stock transmission in these cars with an aftermarket controller, you can literally modify the stock 4.6L mounts like I did, set the power train back the amount I did, and everything will bolt up. The stock transmission cross member bolt holes are slotted, there is no need to modify anything. The trans slip yoke should be fine with the additional set back as well, so literally you would only have to wire the engine up, aftermarket trans controller and you could do only the Coyote engine.

I highly recommend measuring the drive shaft plunge depth to be sure after the install, but i'm confident it will work with no modification. See my video here for a pic of the coyote set with the stock 70W. It's about mid way through the video. The only reason I didn't use the 70W was I wanted the 6speed and factory PCM controlled transmission, and the 6R80 can handle upwards of 800 flywheel HP with no modifications:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoOJlVbvoT4
 
Ltngdrvr said:
Al, do you, or will you, have the cruise hooked up and working on the coyote?

I'd like to figure out how to get it working with the steering wheel buttons on my Mustang when the time comes.
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96gt4.6 said:
Yes. I'm currently working out the details on getting mine wired up, more info on that to come this summer. The Mustang Coyote simply uses the wheel switches/resistors like the Marauder, the key will be the values which i'm currently working on.
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So, the cruise is self contained in the pcm, just part of the programming, right? Nothing extra outside, no module or anything like that? Can you go into a little more detail?
 
Correct.

The Cruise switches are hard wired to the PCM on the Mustang's, on the F150's it's hard wired to the steering wheel control module, which then translates the data and transmits over the MS CAN to the BCM, which then codes it and transmits it over the HS CAN network to the PCM.

So, moral of the story, run a Mustang base OS, and wire your switches directly to the PCM, with the appropriate resistors for each button function. I'm still working on those values.

There are no additional modules. The PCM controls the electronic throttle, and has the VSS inputs and such it needs.

More to come on this as I get it hooked up.
 
So, if using the f150 pcm, I need to run a Mustang base program to make it work directly off the steering wheel switches? And the inputs are at something less than 12v, like maybe 5v, thus requiring the resistors?
 
Thanks for your valuable advise. Actually, I'm planning for aftermarket 4r70w tranny / controller since my car stock transmission 4r75w is not supported by any aftermarket controller.
 
Talal DTR MM said:
Very nice looking. Can't wait to see dyno no.s. Your project really helped me a lot in preparing to do swap to my MM. I have question regarding 4R70W tranny, will it fit with coyote engine or not ?
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The 6R80 is an impressive transmission with greater strength and of course two more gears compared to the 4R75W. Given that it also integrates with the Coyote PCM the benefits of installing them as a matched set are clear.
 
Moving along very nicely thus far. Been rather easy for the most part, the MAF curve was slightly off vs. stock Coyote MAF curve, but that was to be expected being as it went from draw through to blow through. So far it's equated to about a 25% change across the board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMACaugOMAI

Fuel trims are within 3-5% now. Starts and idles like a stock car again. Boost......feels and sounds very mean on the 'Yote to say the least. More coming on that along with some GoPro video's.

Got it to the scales, didn't gain as much as I had thought!

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Looks like around 80lbs total.

Moving along!
 
96gt4.6 said:
Thank you! And yes, I can't wait to meet up with you guys up that way some time! Seems like a really cool crowd!

Got some driving time today, she spools and everything seems to function....that's a relief to say the least. No exhaust leaks, it was a good feeling after all this work.

Now, on to tuning and then it's relaxation time!

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Next up, there will be video! Should be hard into tuning next weekend.
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:beatnik: very very cool :bows:
 
Very impressed with this build and you sir. Just a couple questions, read most of your thread and didnt see it covered. But how many gears can you select on the 6r with the 4r shifter? Being as i have an 08 p71 with column shifter. I would still like to be able to select and hold gears. And as far as wiring, being as my car is newer with can bus already wouldnt the integration be a little easier?

And being as my car has a boat anchor 2v in it i think it would loose weight with this swap.. I had planned on doing a roots on the 2v, but this seams like money better spent. Plus wrecked 11-13 auto gt's are cheap on copart.
 
Hachibill said:
Very impressed with this build and you sir. Just a couple questions, read most of your thread and didnt see it covered. But how many gears can you select on the 6r with the 4r shifter? Being as i have an 08 p71 with column shifter. I would still like to be able to select and hold gears. And as far as wiring, being as my car is newer with can bus already wouldnt the integration be a little easier?

And being as my car has a boat anchor 2v in it i think it would loose weight with this swap.. I had planned on doing a roots on the 2v, but this seams like money better spent. Plus wrecked 11-13 auto gt's are cheap on copart.
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I will get a run down on the specifics of the shifter selection pattern next time i'm at the shop. There is a range that is not selectable with the stock shifter. I believe it's manual 1st.

My solution for this is that I change the up/down shift tables in the ECU so I can use the tap up/down shifter function incorporated in the stock ECU to manually select gears and hold them, while keeping the full auto up shift function as well without moving the selector manually. More on this as I progress into that part of the build.

On your car, you are correct. As I have demonstrated over on Crown Vic.net, you can simply tie the CAN BUS +/- wires into the Vic's CAN BUS wires and have a fully functional stock cluster using the Coyote ECU.

Also, I have recently fully Mirror'd my F150 ECU as a Mustang now. There are no side effects. I'm running the Roush base calibration as it's easier to tune boost with. But, as suspected, you can use an F150 ECU with a full on Mustang program, with no hassles. Still progressing with tuning, but progress has been slow due to my hectic schedule lately. HOPEFULLY i'm all up and running very soon! Injectors are in, she idiles and boost great, but had to stop there as I ran out of work time till this coming weekend, if all goes to plan through the week. Hopefully so, i'm getting antsy to get her going! The Coyote sounds amazing under boost, that exhaust note, certainly screams boosted Ford!!
 
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