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Logan, you really had me going with the D/S, but I must admit, though I feel used, That posting threads against the "DarkSide" was the most entertaining and fun thing I have been involved in on this site, in a long time. Seeing members of this site rally to get it shut down did my heart some good. Once again good has overcome evil, and as long as you, the moderators, and the good people of this site exist, it always will.
Thanks for giving us a safe playground to talk cars.
 
bigslim said:
It makes me also wonder if certain people were tipped off by what was going to happen. I know there are some people that would always come to their defense when they had too. But on this occasion they remained quiet.
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Good question. I don't feel anyone was tipped off. Perhaps they felt the way I did. :dunno:



Defyant said:
I keep reading how "I did not register" "I never made a comment there" "I never heard of the Darkside".....
WELL WHO WAS OVER THERE!!!???.
We had about 100 people sign up before the plug was pulled. I guesstimate less than 10 people on this thread have admitted signing up.
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As for me, I admit reading every single post in every thread up until it died. Atleast up to the last 2 hours. I really wanted to get involved...but my wife warned me from day 1 "....don't get involved!!! Think about it Barry."

I wouldn't have stuck up for anyone anyhow. There were only two topics I wanted to jump in on, and after long thought, my input wouldn't have changed a thing. Even if my name had been directly mentioned in a negative way...I was prepared to just let it slide. All I had to offer was my discontent for a few people that don't care for me for whatever reason. I discovered something. THAT'S MY PROBLEM, not theirs. Why tell the public?
 
AzMarauder said:
Good points... and coming or going is certainly your perogative. However, if you own a Marauder, you may want to reconsider you decision simply from a selfish point of view. It costs you nothing to be here, the site is a wealth of information concerning the car, despite how some people come across, there are a LOT of helpful people.
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YES! I agree! Well put.
 
Smokie said:
Now those that feel that there is too much law enforcement have proof that if you remove the fear of punishment many people will behave like wild animals.Yes, but it doesn't prove that having too many rules, or being too restricted is good either. Like I stated in post #44, you're talking about two extremes. The Darkside could've been set-up with light moderation, and just a few light rules, and over the longhaul, things would've gone much differently over there than they did. But all of this is moot anyway, because it isn't our decision, it's LOGAN's.


Bad is often mistaken for COOL....when you reach the point in your life when you DECIDE that GOOD is COOL...you are there my friend.
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Yes, I agree w/the latter part of your post right there^. Good point Javier.
 
I my previous post I signed up, RedRauder. I had "fun" with Dave and Mike and I do believe you Defyant. "Jerky" ring a bell. Otherwise I left the other "attacks" alone as I had no interest in them because I had no dealings with the party being attacked.

I do feel at times this site is heavy handed but as stated earlier this is Logan's house and I'll abide his rules no matter how I feel about them.

I was mainly interested in the B(o)(o)bies.

I'll leave it at that......
Defyant said:
I keep reading how "I did not register" "I never made a comment there" "I never heard of the Darkside".....

WELL WHO WAS OVER THERE!!!???

We had about 100 people sign up before the plug was pulled. I guesstimate less than 10 people on this thread have admitted signing up.
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Billy, I say this sincerely, you posted over there about the things you enjoy and kept it real, no venom. Billy over there, same Billy over here. I respect that.:bows:
 
I registered on the DS and was sucked in hook line and sinker, but I was still myself over there. I do not apologize for anything I said for it came straight from the heart.

You are all my family here whether we get along or not, there are some members of my family I have not talked to in over twenty years, my choice. Whether we get along or not doesn't matter we all of something to contribute here, whether it be jokes, stories or technicial stuff.

I am here to talk to my friends and share my stories with them and to arrange mothly meets where we can sit down together and shoot the bull.

You all take care now and see you next time at MM.net.

:grouphug:
 
I never got my confirmation email.... :(

From what I heard though I might not have had much to say over there, probably just nabbed some of the comedy-related stuff. :)

There's already a place for that though, something about ... mayhem...
 
Logan said:
I'm still toying with the idea of a Opt-in subforum, where people can go to debate with less restriction. It wouldn't change our moderating from the perspective of vendor, or moderator attacks, but conversations like the Fuel Octane/Performance thread would be allowed to continue through their natural course.
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Let me first start off by publically saying Thank You to Logan for reinstituting my orginal account (some may like that fact, some not). He showed himself to be honorable to his word and it is my intention to do the same.

Yes the Darkside was full of profanity and utter nonsense, but I also did read some things by members which obviously needed some air clearing. That forum proved without a doubt there is no need for profanity, personal attacks, and that a sites vendors should be protected (yes I'm being serious here).

It also proved in my opinion that a "smack down" forum with less regulation could be beneficial, a happy medium with no profanity, no personal attacks, and no vendor bashing, which would allow threads like Superchargers to be debated as long as it is not malicious. For those that did not like it they could simply opt out of participating there. As far as vendor bashing, you can't state facts or opinions about vendors openly or there simply will not be any here to support the site. Want to bash, and I am no angel, take it to SVTperformance, eventually everything comes out formerly or behind the scenes anyway.

Moderation will never be objective, as human beings are subjective. A smattering of all camps would be fair.
 
FWIW I am not sure an opt-in forum would work too well, unless it had some strict rules of conduct that did allow more discussions but kept the ugly out of it.

On Overclockers we would promote people to senior level based on their experience and conduct they've shown. Senior members have the "blue room" which is their own page with relaxed rules. Even in this environment some tempers have flared up...but it's all been dealt with. Most (I say MOST) of the people there are much more adult.

Of course, in a computer tech forum with a gaming section you get plenty of younger folk too, so perhaps it has more bearing on a site like that. While we have our young people in this forum, I'd say the average age here is over 20years, the average age at Overclockers may have been less than 20years.

Whether or not that would work here or you'd ever consider doing it, it's just how it's been done elsewhere and I thought maybe it can serve as information to be digested during any planning.
 
UNSTOPPABLE said:
I read this thread and saw the Darkside and have one question. Why set up a site advertised as anything goes and then shut it down when you find it disturbing how fast things turned. What did you expect???? This "experiment" was a set-up not to bring out the bad in people but for the moderators to divide the people on this site. Funny thing is, now that the DS is down you have members here coming back to apoligize or state they said nothing wrong while there. I feel the only ones that should be sorry here are Logan and his moderators for planning this fiasco. I'm sure there are others here who feel the same about this, but of course, are afraid to speak up. So after just joining and seeing how things are done around here, I will have no part of it, I am leaving.
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That's really too bad.
You have a twin turbo charged, nitrous equipped Marauder by Calloway and haven't told us anything about it.
You only registered here on 19 September. We'd like to hear about your Marauder.
 
Was a pretty good place when the passion was about the car and people here. :dunno: Glad I missed the fiasco. :nono:
 
Smokie said:
Billy, I say this sincerely, you posted over there about the things you enjoy and kept it real, no venom. Billy over there, same Billy over here. I respect that.:bows:
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Thanks very much for your acknowledgement Javier. I really appreciate that, and consider that quite a compliment coming from you.
 
Defyant said:
I keep reading how "I did not register" "I never made a comment there" "I never heard of the Darkside".....

WELL WHO WAS OVER THERE!!!???

We had about 100 people sign up before the plug was pulled. I guesstimate less than 10 people on this thread have admitted signing up.
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I registered, I posted comments, I enjoyed many of the threads on the Darkside. I didn't try too hard to disguise my name from what I use over here. (HSLAW EOJ)

The only thing that got me was a couple of "Internet 'Roid Rangers" acting like they were X rated Pro wrestlers.
They were going ballistic on each other and were personally attacking just about anyone who posted on their threads. Their posts were unbelievably nasty and cruel......
I would hope that those morons will/are banned from this site. They can start up their own site and wallow in their own personal problems.
 
Breadfan said:
Senior members have the "blue room" which is their own page with relaxed rules. .
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But, but, we already have that, sort of. Logan set up a Members Section for just that purpose, and nobody goes there. Are you saying it would be more popular if he'd allow us to go there and cuss at one another?
 
I didn't like the idea of Darkside site the minute it opened. It was destined to become what it did. There were quite a few pent up opinions and emotions that were unable to be expressed here, and it all rushed out at once on the DS. Things just got ugly from there.

The DS "experiment" proved nothing. I don't beleive anybody asked for a site with zero moderation. Just because a lawless anarchy that practically goads folks into spouting off crumbles and fails does not mean that an over moderated police state is any better. We completey missed the grey area in the middle. Looser rules to allow more expression, tempered with the golden rules never to be broken. This can be done. I currently moderate a another PC related site that does this successully.

I'm glad I didn't get "sucked in" on the DS. I'm sure it surprises many that I didn't. I posted only twice in my own thread titled "Freedom" in which I expressed my support of the concept of less moderation. Now I wished I would not have even done that.

What's even worse than the "experiment" itself is the aftermath. There IS permanent damage. Many folks were hurt by those spewing venomous insults, while others were hurt by the simple truth.

There are some folks being "prosecuted" right now on mm.net because they made nothing but truthful expressions of how they felt. Those "in power" here have made it clear they will "never forgive" certain folks for doing nothing but post their honest feelings. I'm sure some of what was posted exposed a few folks as to what they talk about behind closed doors, and I am sure it embaressed them (well, at least it should have). But to see the ongoing reaction from those exposed makes me sick. On one hand you have folks that spewed venomous attacks against vendors being "forgiven" while you have others that critized current mm.net mods being held "without amnesty." This only serves to tell me how disingenuine the "clean slate" rhetoric really is.

The DS idea was a bad idea. Lot's of venom was spewed no doubt. But, I challenge those who may have been the target of heavy criticism over there to look within themselves and consider whether they did anything...anything at all, that might have brought it on. We can scorn and ridicule those that posted heated criticism on the DS until the cows come home.....or we can get over the hurt and learn from it a little as well. That's the ONLY positive thing that can come out of the DS fiasco.
 
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