3 Great years and more to come...

[cyclone03]

I hoped this was just a test.
The only thing I regret is I didn't get to post....****,****,****,**********,************, and ****!

I did regester on the DS but it would never let me post.

That must of been one hell of a gut check for you Logan.

 

[Logan]

Billy...... It is YOUR FAULT I have a Marauder.... (just thought I'd throw that in here)
....lots of other blah blah blah here

I only wanted to say, well said and insightful comments.

 

[Hack Goby]

I won't say that I enjoyed the experiment. I think that it served a purpose, but more for the moderators than for the membership. It was the picture that was worth a thousand moderator words to show us the potential for anarchy that exists in an unmoderated environment. Yet, to an extent I think it was the "easy way out". As an analogy, when you explain to your child why they shouldn't touch a hot burner on the stove, you spend a lot of words, but you don't grab their hand on put it on a hot burner. Obviously the latter action will certainly make the message very clear! But it isn't what you would do. So I think the Darkside was putting people's hand on the burner. I am not sure we needed to do that as justification for level of moderation we have on this board.

Even though I have never been banned I argree with Az. on this one its a no brainer to give people free rein on a Marauder website(Darkside)and then when the people they know are going to crazy do well its"SEE!,See what happens when theres no control".I think I understand now.

 

[Dark_Knight7096]

Thanks for the comments, positive and otherwise.

I will actually work on porting the color scheme over here, as I can actually allow the user to select their preferred color scheme, so I will make that happen. I actually liked it too.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!:2thumbs::rock:

 

[Hotrauder]

I haven't slept that well the past couple of nights. Up this morning at 4:30 and went and looked at the MM. I found that it didn't stir me as it has since I bought it. I have been up almost 8 hours so far today and this is the first time I have been to the site. Unprecedented as it usually is a first or second thing thing with me. I know I wanted the DS gone and voted that way and now it is I feel better. However I don't at this time feel the same about MM.Net as I did before this started. I am going to take the Marauder out for a drive and see if that helps. I sure hope so. Dennis

 

[BillyGman]

Logan, I just want to say thankyou for allowing all of us to post our comments concerning your experiment. I realize that you could've just posted what you thought, and then locked the thread and left it there, but you didn't. And I appreciate the fact that you didn't. :2thumbs:

 

[69mach1]

Here to stay

Just wanted to say I appreciate what you, Mary and Dan accomplish. My MM is such a joy to drive, experience, share and it's made in "America" . I enjoy this site and really want it to stick around. It's full of great information and I've met some nice folks through this site. I'm not a dark side kinda guy, just not needed in my world.

Thanks again for your efforts.

Sincerely,

Jon aka 69mach1 :burnout:

 

[Hack Goby]

I haven't slept that well the past couple of nights. Up this morning at 4:30 and went and looked at the MM. I found that it didn't stir me as it has since I bought it. I have been up almost 8 hours so far today and this is the first time I have been to the site. Unprecedented as it usually is a first or second thing thing with me. I know I wanted the DS gone and voted that way and now it is I feel better. However I don't at this time feel the same about MM.Net as I did before this started. I am going to take the Marauder out for a drive and see if that helps. I sure hope so. Dennis

Dennis,I know how you feel,Paridise lost. :depress: I think I will take the day off get in the Marauder and go find what Im looking for.

 

[the_pack_rat]

I haven't slept that well the past couple of nights. Up this morning at 4:30 and went and looked at the MM. I found that it didn't stir me as it has since I bought it. I have been up almost 8 hours so far today and this is the first time I have been to the site. Unprecedented as it usually is a first or second thing thing with me. I know I wanted the DS gone and voted that way and now it is I feel better. However I don't at this time feel the same about MM.Net as I did before this started. I am going to take the Marauder out for a drive and see if that helps. I sure hope so. Dennis

Embarrasing isn't it ?.

Don't sweat it too much ..... we all have choices. Just because we own a MM does not mean we are obligated to be close "family" towards each & every other MM owner. As it's often been said, no matter how much we may LOVE them ..... it's just a car.

And being it's just a CAR ..... there's no need to feel any differently towards your car ..... unless your MM itself had been sitting behind a keyboard ..... spewing off all kinds of twisted obsenities to everyone elses MM's & other cars, acting as tho it were left home alone for it's very first time ever & had just injested its first high octane cocktail.

Don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole basket. As "eye opening" as the whole DS thing was, for the most part ..... I don't think most of us are bad people.

:banana2:

 

[N40GL]

I thought that 'Darkside' was just plain bizarre and I'm glad its gone.

 

[Smokie]

I am glad that it closed down, not because of bad words or boobs. Sometimes I cuss, I love boobs. I feared that eventually a person that I like and respect, would write something so vile that I would lose all respect for that person.

I'm no saint, never pretended to be one. I try to be true to my myself and the person that is typing now is no different from the one you meet, had I chosen to write in the other place, no one would have trouble recognizing me.

I have the same opinions, core values and beliefs regardless of where I stand. I can tolerate all kinds of differences of opinions about religion or lack thereof, politics, sex. I rarely get angry, mostly because as a younger man I spent too much time and energy being angry.

Some people that wrote on the other side....need help.

 

[magindat]

I found this site a little after I bought my Marauder earlier this year. Unfortunately, it only took me 4 months to wreck it. While it has been in repair, I have read a million posts and threads and have learned tons of stuff. I decided on an intake here. I decided on a paint scheme here. I got advice about the install of my AVIC-D1 (thanks Logan and a N1 owner who's name I have forgotton that gave me his DIRECT WORK PHONE NUMBER) here. I have answered some posts to the best of my knowledge in order to add to the wealth.

This site has saved me money, got me the right parts (Thanks KB and Wes), helped with wheel and tire selection, saved me time, and been generally a very helpful wealth of information. You can't find a site like this for the Prowler (similar production numbers) or any other car I have known.

I love my MM as much as the rest of you. Most of you have made me love it more! Thanks to everyone who has posted the useful information. Thanks to Logan and other mods so that I didn't have to sift through a mountain of BS inorder to get to useful info and real, founded opinions.

As soon as I get back, I'm sending money. The rest of you should do the same.

 

[LightningVic]

Here's my take..... Logan and his moderators are under no obligation to explain anything to anyone, and I fully agree that this is NOT a democracy, nor should any online board be a democracy. I was a moderator on a board for a year, and that board wasn't a democracy either. There are things about how this board is run, and about how some of the rules are enforced that I don't particularly agree with. But that doesn't matter, because it isn't my board, and I choose to be here of my own free will. Niether Logan nor any of his moderators are forcing me to stay.


Let me also explain that despite certain things that I don't agree with here, overall this is a great board for Marauder owners, and I've gained a lot of helpful and fantastic knowledge about my Marauder by being a member here. Had it not been for this board, my Marauder would still be a 15 second car rather than a 12 second car like it presently is.

Having explained all of that, I also want to say that I don't believe that this "experiment" proved much of anything. Again, let me make it clear that Logan is under no obligation to any of us to prove anything. He's started up and maintained the most informative board on the internet about Marauders. I'm merely pointing out that this so called "experiment" was anything but objective. It wasn't exactly what you would call a "double blind" study.

Right or wrong, all the moderator bashing that took place on that other board would NOT have been there if there really weren't any mods to begin with. Sure there weren't any mods over there (I mean moderators), but since that board wasn't really anything else than an extension of this board, then in essence, what we had over there was merely part of this board. Does that mean that I'm saying that no mods are needed? Not at all. I'm simply pointing out that we started out with some rather strict rules (meaning over here), and then for merely a couple days, we went to entirely the other extreme. So ofcourse that would open the flood gates, and even invite people to lash out.

So the stage for all types of brutal comedian type posts was set. As well as for posts about dissatisfied customers too who were never previously allowed to voice their veiwpoints about certain issues. All of the frustrations and dissappointments of some members that took years to be built up during the lifespan of this board here, were suddenly allowed to be unleashed all at once over at that other board. So ofcourse it was chaotic. How would it be otherwise? And to let such a board exist only for a couple days is not any realistic proof that such a board would be that way always, or that it would continue to get worse and worse had it been allowed to remain on the net.

There would've been a point where people would've gotten certain things out of their system, and where the attempts at humorous posts laced with four letter words would have gotten real old, and therefore would've tapered off atleast to some extent. It wouldn't have completely stopped all together, but it would NOT have remained as it was with the same intensity that it was. So I don't think that this so called "experiment" proved much of anything since it's entire premise wasn't even serious nor realistic. And not having any rules nor mods to enforce them at all is simply the other extreme of what this board is. So we've seen two extremes IMO. Neither one is realistic. However that doesn't change the fact that this is one seriously beneficial board overall to it's members (myself included) and that's what has kept me here.

I've tried to be as honest as possible with this post. No phoney sugar coating, and no disrespect intended. Just my plain opinion and viewpoint. If you don't agree, then that's your perogative to disagree if you so choose.

I couldnt agree with you more Billy. If you look, I have a pretty low member number, I have been a member of this site since before the marauder even came out (I think, I cant remember), and although I do not have a marauder (yet) I have come to think of this as a pretty neat place to hang out. I personally have never been censored, but I have to say that I also didnt always speak my mind when I wanted to, because I didnt want to get banned heh. Although, I do appreciate the efforts of all of the moderators and people that run this site. If i werent a dirt poor college student, I would make a donation, and when I get my high paying college job, I will make a donation.

That being said, I also believe that given time to run its course, the darkside could have been an interesting place (I also loved loved loved that color scheme). I posted twice there, and found that I enjoyed the posts I did read. It seems like unmoderated discussions, while they can get extremely heated, and occasionally dumb, can sometimes be more interesting to partake in.

Thanks for the last 3 years.
I am going to get in contact with you guys when I get some money, I wonder if logan would go for letting me start up darkside again if I promised to take care of it totally.

 

[MI2QWK4U]

To set the record straight...

I just want the membership here to know a couple of things...
First off, I was not on the inside on this event. I suspected Logan was trying to prove a point with the Dark forum, but was asked by Logan after the site was up to be the moderator, that should have raised a red flag, but I told him a long time ago I would help out if ever needed.
I have recieved a number of emails and PMs accusing me of playing a part in this debacle in order to trip up or entrap people into badmouthing vendors or moderators. This isnt true, and Logan will attest to that I am sure, but I wanted the general membership to know I was along for the ride along with everyone else. I will say that everything I posted on the Dark side ref moderation on this forum we my opinion and belief and express the way I percieve things here, and were not posted in a hoax to lure others into agreeing with me. I am sorry I accepted the job of moderating the dark side, I really am. People were out of line and just plain assh0les, and as much as I wanted to give them the boot...I couldnt do it under logans anything goes policy, it really put me in the trick bag. I wish more of you would have visited the dark side, maybe your opinions of people, both good and bad would have changed, I know mine changed on several people. So get off my back about being in on the dark side farce, its not true and I'm tired of hearing about it. Enjoy the site and all the crap that goes along with it.

 

[Cobra25]

I just want to say Thank You too Logan , Mary & Dan for making this site a better space to be.

 

[2003 MIB]

I wish more of you would have visited the dark side, maybe your opinions of people, both good and bad would have changed, I know mine changed on several people. Enjoy the site and all the crap that goes along with it.

I'm sorry you had this experience. I did visit the D/S and although I didn't post, I also didn't read anything I didn't already know a little about from contact with other people. Was there really any new news? Nope.
My opinions didn't change on anyone- you included. A post is like a snapshot- it's how someone felt at that moment in time. It is not the sum total of that person's character. Who hasn't said/done something they wish they hadn't said/done?? I've met a lot of the folks that posted on D/S at MVI &MVII. Great people- some of the best I know. I chose to regard their statements the same way I would if they'd had too much to drink at a cocktail party. Does it mean they are bad folks because they twisted off a bit? Hell no, they were just a little drunk. Would I hang with them again? Sure would. Don't run off.

 

[SergntMac]

My turn. Better go get fresh coffee, beer, whatever...

Was this really an "experiment"? Or, lack of resistance to "I dare you"?

Logan may have set out to teach us all a lesson, but at some point, it soured, and badly too.

I didn't need to be taught this lesson. I learned it in my adolesence. But, I got force fed a helping of this crap anyway.

Yep, it left a mark.

I didn't like it from the beginning, and I said so here. But, I'm JAFO, just one one more voice in a community of voices often never heard. I predicted in a post now gone, that things would be said that could not be un-said at a later time. While administrators here can delete posts, they cannot undo our reading, of insults and accusations against friends, and community leaders.

Administrators can reserve sanctions, grant amensty, but can we forget what our "friends" did, or, said about us? I think not. It's not easy to quench this disappointment.

IMHO, every grown, mature adult is responsible for his actions, and personal conduct, whether there is an experiment underway, or not. Declaring this event an experiment now, does not excuse anyone from their behavior prior to knowing it was an experiment. Disclosing it as such today, as an experiment, almost says "just kidding." But, no one was kidding.

Just to let the membership know, I only visited the alternate site 2 times, once at its inception and once to watch it shut down. Anything that was said over there I did not want to know about, it is important to not color my moderating by comments made elswhere. I recieved many e-mails about this little experiment as every moderator did, but I want to let you folks know that everyone as of this moment has a clean slate, please don't grab the chalk and mark it up. The choice is yours :up:

Like a killer snate-bite, Dan, once was all it took. I'm pleased to hear that you can wipe your slate clean. As a board cop, you must not look back at history when keeping peace at the instant. Bravo, my friend, and best wishes. As a member of this community, I cannot be so generous with amensty. My community suffered, and against it's will.

Logan said it himself, this board is a community of people, a gathering from across all boundaries. We are separated by miles, sex, race, age, education, employment, economics, political venues, and so on. Yet, as enduring as these boundaries can be at times, we have accomplished a lot of great things as a community, and all because of one automobile.

I haven't had a "face to face" meet yet, that went bad. Every OTR trip delivered smiles with the miles, the greater the miles, the bigger the smiles.

Haven't seen any fist fights among us, no arguments, no shouting, not any name calling, threats, or, anything near negative vibes between us.

Nothing. Nada, zip, zero, zilch.

I'm not foolish enough to suggest that ill feelings were absent. In fact, I presume they are present always. However, they are in check with self control, and kept in check by mutual respect for others. Does this mean these feelings are supressed? Building like compressed air in some kind of RAGE tank that will someday blow a valve? Well, that's not correct either. Having your own personal dark side in need of release, is abnormal. Get a clue on your mental health before it gets you into bigger trouble than this.

Mature adults learn to manage their disappointment, process their resentment, and treat wounds before they infect. At many meets, I've seen two and three members stroll off to the side and make ammends. I've invited others to walk with me, and I've been invited. This is the way it gets done. In the absence of a meet, e-mail and telephone calls can tide you over until a meet is possible, and then, you can't buy better medicine than the handshake.

You need three things to build friendship. Respect, trust, and loyalty. All of us own these things, and we treasure them. We tend to keep them to ourselves until another has proven they are worthy of this investment in them as a friend. This is wrong. These three "treasures" have no value to us, until we share them, give them away. No function, no value. All of my respect is worthless, unill I give it away. If I do not respect anyone until they prove they are worth it, I won't have any respect for anyone. This is the way it works, think about it. I'm not trying to turn this into a sermon, but I think a lot of us got this stuff wrong, and I think Logan just proved that to us all.

Logan calls for an apology to Dan and Mary, and I don't object. But, don't stop there. IMHO, a much larger apology is due to our community as well, for we suffered the most collateral damage. Assesments are in order, the quality of life for our community remains to be measured. Some folks will have to re-introduce themselves, and start fresh among us. Some are not welcome back at all. However, this is the community's decision, and it needs to be made. Each of us will make our own decisions privately, and move forward from here.

Personally, I find myself very forgiving of most things. I carry no hatred in my heart, it weighs too much to keep with me. I tend to forget insults over time, because that energy is spent enjoying old friends, and making new friends. Y'all can slap me around today, and I'll probably forget it tomorrow and I'm okay with that.

However, I draw the line at intentional, deliberate acts by grown "mature" adults, and I cut no quarter to those lacking self control. Some folks here have lost my friendship forever, and it's their loss. It's also their doing, they gave it up. This is the only sanction I have, and we will not walk it off, should we meet again.

To those of you who participated in this event, please look at your participation from another perspective. Don't apologize for what you may have said about one or two "brothers", but for saying it to all of us, and forcing us to take part in your personal crap. Yes, our "paradise" has been hit by a Hurricane, but let's get busy in recovery. First we sweep away the worthless garbage, rescue the rest for rehab, and rebuild. Garbage out first...

Wouldn't it be great, if Logan someday restored the dark side, and no one needed to use it?

BTW, I didn't mind the cheesecake, but how did that get to be dark?

 

[Bigdogjim]

Funny Stuff!

Logan, I just want to say thankyou for allowing all of us to post our comments concerning your experiment. I realize that you could've just posted what you thought, and then locked the thread and left it there, but you didn't. And I appreciate the fact that you didn't. :2thumbs:

Too little too late

 

[Bigdogjim]

Wow!!

I just want the membership here to know a couple of things...
First off, I was not on the inside on this event. I suspected Logan was trying to prove a point with the Dark forum, but was asked by Logan after the site was up to be the moderator, that should have raised a red flag, but I told him a long time ago I would help out if ever needed.
I have recieved a number of emails and PMs accusing me of playing a part in this debacle in order to trip up or entrap people into badmouthing vendors or moderators. This isnt true, and Logan will attest to that I am sure, but I wanted the general membership to know I was along for the ride along with everyone else. I will say that everything I posted on the Dark side ref moderation on this forum we my opinion and belief and express the way I percieve things here, and were not posted in a hoax to lure others into agreeing with me. I am sorry I accepted the job of moderating the dark side, I really am. People were out of line and just plain assh0les, and as much as I wanted to give them the boot...I couldnt do it under logans anything goes policy, it really put me in the trick bag. I wish more of you would have visited the dark side, maybe your opinions of people, both good and bad would have changed, I know mine changed on several people. So get off my back about being in on the dark side farce, its not true and I'm tired of hearing about it. Enjoy the site and all the crap that goes along with it.

Well next time someone opens the door to a car ask "where are you going?"
Farce or no farce some fell very hard! Other feel nothing but hurt over what was posted. Me I just laugh. Personaly I think it's all funny I love the suck ups some are trying to do. Wonder how some of you sleep at night?
Something tell me this is far from over? Hope I am wrong?
Only time will tell.
Don't worry Dave I still love ya!
It's all good in the end.
See on Woodward Ave. next year, you can buy me a :beer:

 

[djv5150]

Logan,
Thanks for removing the D/S my 13 year old son is on this site every day.