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kernie said:
No it's way down.

The murder rate in England and Wales fell by 14% to 550 homicides in 2011-12 – the lowest level since 1983.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/19/murder-rate-falls-crime-figures
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Otae', as I qualified, last I knew. My opinion is that it has nothing what so ever to do with firearm ownership. Thats my opinion. I have seen a stick of butter used to assault a person. I made the arrest for Assault 3rd. The tool is inconsequential, its the act.
 
IwantmyMMnow! said:
Why did the mother have multiple guns in the house and how was the :censor: shooter able to get them?

I can understand having A gun, but more than one? The demographics of the area don't lead me to believe that multiple weapons in the home are needed for protection...possibly not even one.

I've never owned a gun; I've never felt it was necessary, partly because it was prohibited (living in dorms on military base) and partly because of where I have lived. The only time I've shot a weapon was for training purposes in the military.

And before someone mis-interprets what I'm saying, no, I'm not trying to start a discussion on gun control...I just want answers to my questions.
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IwantmyMMnow! said:
No, you didn't answer my question....instead, you gave reasons why you have more than one gun and turned it back on me and asked why I have made mods to my car.

You immediately assumed I was implying that people shouldn't own guns.

I guess instead of posing my question on this site, I should've just waited until the investigation is complete. It's a question that's been on my mind since it was released that she had multiple guns in the house and I felt compelled to ask.

Just because someone asks a question about something doesn't automatically mean that person has an 'issue' with it, though...
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Your original remarks I have highlighted for you.

My reasons are generally any other gun owners reasons, you never being a gun owner, clearly doesn't understand that.

You need to be not so thin skinned, no one is picking on you, or accusing you.

I answered the question you asked, and, gave you an analogy to go with it too.
 
rayjay said:
Otae', as I qualified, last I knew. My opinion is that it has nothing what so ever to do with firearm ownership. Thats my opinion. I have seen a stick of butter used to assault a person. I made the arrest for Assault 3rd. The tool is inconsequential, its the act.
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How do you debate someone who says, gun or a stick of butter, the tool is inconsequential?

I guess you win, :help:.
 
rayjay said:
Otae', as I qualified, last I knew. My opinion is that it has nothing what so ever to do with firearm ownership. Thats my opinion. I have seen a stick of butter used to assault a person. I made the arrest for Assault 3rd. The tool is inconsequential, its the act.
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Ding,ding,ding, why is this so hard to understand?:confused:
 
kernie said:
How do you debate someone who says, gun or a stick of butter, the tool is inconsequential?

I guess you win, :help:.
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Your right, "we" win, anything can be used as a weapon, come on down to the states, I have some photo's I can share with you proving it to be a fact.
 
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...rs-be-trained-by-police-firearms-instructors/

ARM THE TEACHERS! Or any other law abiding school employee, be it the janitors or the principal!

The police are incapable of preventing these incidents. All we do is clean up the mess, then are left a mess ourselves. Put the guns where the threat is. We put sprinklers, fire exits and fire drills in school. Now we need some fire power in school!

And I am for strict gun control. Guns should not be easily accessible to anyone on a whim. But if the law abiding citizen wants one, he should he allowed to get one. Establish a similar procedure to get a drivers license! Of course the dirt ball will get one regardless, but if more of US good people were carrying, there would be less active shooters - or at least they would be taken out sooner.
 
DEFYANT said:
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...rs-be-trained-by-police-firearms-instructors/

ARM THE TEACHERS! Or any other law abiding school employee, be it the janitors or the principal!

The police are incapable of preventing these incidents. All we do is clean up the mess, then are left a mess ourselves. Put the guns where the threat is. We put sprinklers, fire exits and fire drills in school. Now we need some fire power in school!

And I am for strict gun control. Guns should not be easily accessible to anyone on a whim. But if the law abiding citizen wants one, he should he allowed to get one. Establish a similar procedure to get a drivers license! Of course the dirt ball will get one regardless, but if more of US good people were carrying, there would be less active shooters - or at least they would be taken out sooner.
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Using the logic here we can arm them with butter!

We can even make it conceal carry butter!
 
BTW school security is a joke. The doors are locked, but I ALWAYS get buzzed in without so much as a a question as to my intent!
 
kernie said:
Using the logic here we can arm them with butter!

We can even make it conceal carry butter!
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I'd agree, if the bad guys were using margarine. They are not. They are using guns to kill our teachers and our children!

Be a Sheep if you want. You'll be cowering behind us Sheepdogs protecting your azz from the Wolves that prey on you!
 
kernie said:
How do you debate someone who says, gun or a stick of butter, the tool is inconsequential?

I guess you win, :help:.
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I didn't know this was a game. I thought this was a thread on our grieving for the victims of a maniac in CT. I can't even watch the news without tearing up and I am a person who does not cry.
 
DEFYANT said:
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...rs-be-trained-by-police-firearms-instructors/

ARM THE TEACHERS! Or any other law abiding school employee, be it the janitors or the principal!

The police are incapable of preventing these incidents. All we do is clean up the mess, then are left a mess ourselves. Put the guns where the threat is. We put sprinklers, fire exits and fire drills in school. Now we need some fire power in school!

And I am for strict gun control. Guns should not be easily accessible to anyone on a whim. But if the law abiding citizen wants one, he should he allowed to get one. Establish a similar procedure to get a drivers license! Of course the dirt ball will get one regardless, but if more of US good people were carrying, there would be less active shooters - or at least they would be taken out sooner.
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Sorry don't thinking arming every teacher is the answer. I don't want someone teaching my kid with a glock on their hip they picked up at a gun show with zero training and a light background check

Last I checked teachers don't always use good judgment, look how many are in prison because of sleeping with students, anything can be used as a weapon right?

Just like the answer is not take away all the guns, the answer certainly isn't arming teachets


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She may have been a gun girl, period. They were owned legally. Since there are guns in my home I have trained my family on how to safely handle them and when, God forbid, they could be used. My daughter is my shooting partner, has been since she was 8, now 15. Good shot too. Loves 45acps and 5.56 NATO's.

I may be for arming some school employees, if they can demonstrate willingness and ability to act in a active shooter scenario during training. As LEOs we are trained to go to the danger while everyone else goes the other way. The responder to a active shooter can not stop to help victims. Thats how the officer in MN was shot up. He either was not trained or disregarded it. I am very thankful I never had to use the many hours of training I had in this field.
 
DEFYANT said:
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...rs-be-trained-by-police-firearms-instructors/Guns should not be easily accessible to anyone on a whim. But if the law abiding citizen wants one, he should he allowed to get one.
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Do we not all agree on this sentiment here?

Is there a single person that isn't anti-gun-ownership that thinks this wouldn't be the ideal way out of this?


I'm 100% pro-gun-ownership, but we all have to be reasonable here.


I've seen a lot of comparisons with gun ownership and auto licensing. A vehicle can be used as a deadly weapon (as with many many things), but at least the original intent of the tool isn't to do damage; even having said that though, with how dangerous a car can be, just look at how easily they give away licenses to operate them, and how flippantly people operate them on the roadways. I DO NOT WANT that attitude in someone when it comes to owning and operating a firearm.

Bottom line, I don't think it should be EASY to get a gun, but it should be FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE.
 
To be honest I think arming teachers brings a whole other can worms that has not been fully flushed out....

I think the reason why they call teaching a profession like they do Law Enforcement, or Firefighting is because the individual is singularly focused on those aspects of that profession.......

Asking a teacher to be both an enducational professional/first responder with lethal capabilities in most cases does not to my mind keep situations like this from happening..... What happens if a teacher pulls that gun in a typical schoolyard brawl (that I remember from my youth... Maybe different now) Again, another can of worms......

I think it comes down to a positioning of law enforcement resources and access control(s)....

But what do I know..... My older brother and his family, lived 2 towns away from this beautiful community up until 8 mos. ago..... Been through it a few times and never would have thought this kind of thing would have happened there.... Its an absolute travisty that cannot be legislated out of existance......

Managed, minimized, prevented? Hopefully........ Legislated? No way........
 
My thoughts were this. I think it would be a good idea to have one armed guard at the schools. I also think two physically abled teachers at minimum depending on the size of the school and how many student there are, should be taught trained and armed, be it a gun or stun gun. Locked in a drawer. No one except for a few staff members would know who these properly trained teachers are. That way no students would know which teachers are the chosen ones and no one can pass judgment. Of course they should go through a yearly refresher course too. It's a great line of defense until more help arrives. It just may make a person think twice about going into a school or it may make that armed person duck for cover for a few minutes buying innocent children and teachers more time to escape.

It's no guarantee. But nothing ever is and it's better than nothing.

Also a good idea would be to have bullet resistant doors at the restrooms and all entry doors.

Also start cutting the excessive pay and get rid of all perks for superintendent and their staff. No more free cars, lavish trips, personal loans that are easily forgiven and much much more. That would generate more than enough money to pay for more security measures, books etc etc.


No amount of laws, protective measures or physical barriers is going to stop someone who is determined to commit such acts.

You can end up banning everything. Guess what. The assailant WILL find an alternative measure of getting what they want and demonstrating that. As has been done over and over through out human history.


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Definition, Funk and Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary:

gun: a weapon or projectile device from which a missle is thrown by force of an explosive by compressed air, by a spring, etc.

stick of butter: (couldn't find a definition)

automobile: a four wheeled passenger vehicle that carries it's own source of power and travels on roads or streets

I think the key word above is "weapon".

Anything can become a weapon, but that's not it's intent.

The intent of a weapon is to be a weapon.
 
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