New az immigration law... Almost...

LIGHTNIN1 said:
Now that healthcare has been crammed down our throat Congress says Immigration is one of their next Priorities. Hopefully we can have some CHANGE in November before that happens.
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A big problem is that they should have taken care of immigration first. That in itself would have dramatically reduced health care costs. Ever been to an emergency room? The staff there needs a translator because there are so many illegals.
 
FordNut said:
A big problem is that they should have taken care of immigration first. That in itself would have dramatically reduced health care costs. Ever been to an emergency room? The staff there needs a translator because there are so many illegals.
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A one page bill that allows hospitals to check citizen status before giving free health care, doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime, and doesn't require a new bureaucracy to monitor it? That would NEVER work.
 
No hospital anywhere would or should deny a person emergency health care no matter who they are. It's part of that hippocratic oath thingy. Blaming illegals for seeking hospital care when they are sick is like shooting the bear when its already dead. U.S border personnel need more resources and interception latitude in keeping the people out in the first place.
 
In CT now it is a law you HAVE TO HAVE AN ID @ ALL TIMES on you outside of your house

jdenning002 said:
There are no Federal Laws nor any state laws that mandate that someone must obatin any kind of ID or carry one.

Driving is a different story, you must get an ID and carry it.

This will be the interesting part, there are ways to conduct records checks based on a name/DOB/POB that officers can check for people suspected of being illegal.

Not so long ago to cross the border all someone had to say was "I am American" and that was it, if they seemed honest, they got in...

Then birth certificates were enough... (eaisly forgable)

Now everyone has to have a passport...
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Posted @ the DMV it even states they are now issuing non Dirvers License Photo Id's and that you are subject to presnt one when asked by a Police officer.

Granted it is a misdameaner offence but you can be issued a ticket and detained until proof of Identity is confirmed by a family member if they want to be a prick about it or bring you to your house to show a proper ID.

But slowly state's are starting to make having an ID on you at all times madatory since the 911 incident. Even kid's over a certain age have to have an ID on them now here in Connecticut.
 
Mr. Man said:
No hospital anywhere would or should deny a person emergency health care no matter who they are. It's part of that hippocratic oath thingy. Blaming illegals for seeking hospital care when they are sick is like shooting the bear when its already dead. U.S border personnel need more resources and interception latitude in keeping the people out in the first place.
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The care in a real EMERGENCY isn't the problem. It's the people that clog up the ER for a band-aid or a cough drop because they can't be turned away and don't want to pay for a visit to the general practitioner.
 
Phrog_gunner said:
The care in a real EMERGENCY isn't the problem. It's the people that clog up the ER for a band-aid or a cough drop because they can't be turned away and don't want to pay for a visit to the general practitioner.
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THANK YOU!!! Using the ER as your HMO may be acceptable to third-world idiots with no education or conscience, in America everything comes with a price.
 
Mr. Man said:
No hospital anywhere would or should deny a person emergency health care no matter who they are. It's part of that hippocratic oath thingy. Blaming illegals for seeking hospital care when they are sick is like shooting the bear when its already dead. U.S border personnel need more resources and interception latitude in keeping the people out in the first place.
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Illegals sneak into America just so they can get emergency room service. That is wrong. Healthcare is a privilege NOT a right! Why must we the taxpayers pay for this?

How would you like to be personally responsible for ANY person who showed up at your house that was hungry? Oh and you'd be forced to feed them -you would have to personally pay for any food they ate.
 
babbage said:
Illegals sneak into America just so they can get emergency room service. That is wrong. Healthcare is a privilege NOT a right! Why must we the taxpayers pay for this?

How would you like to be personally responsible for ANY person who showed up at your house that was hungry? Oh and you'd be forced to feed them -you would have to personally pay for any food they ate.
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Don't give the gov't any ideas! :mad2:
 
LeoVampire said:
Posted @ the DMV it even states they are now issuing non Drivers License Photo Id's and that you are subject to present one when asked by a Police officer.

Granted it is a misdemeanor offence but you can be issued a ticket and detained until proof of Identity is confirmed by a family member if they want to be a prick about it or bring you to your house to show a proper ID.

But slowly state's are starting to make having an ID on you at all times mandatory since the 911 incident. Even kid's over a certain age have to have an ID on them now here in Connecticut.
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While I usually have a drivers licence on me I often have no ID when working in the yard. Now I don't expect the police to question me in my own yard but if they ever did we could have a problem. 911 seems to be the scapegoat for more and more government intrusion in our daily lives. I personally will not fly anymore unless it's and absolute emergency.
It may sound harsh but I could support a closed border policy. Yet to be determined is what that exactly means. I would also support a policy that makes guest worker papers readily available to those who qualify and create a no excuses policy to those who try to break the rules. They'd get the boot and I would not let them qualify for return acceptance.
I would also support a new Constitutional amendment that says just because you are born in America doesn't necessarily mean you're an American. You would need to be born to parents that are American, at least one anyway. If your parents are applying for legal status then the outcome of that application will determine your child's status. If you are born to non-American parents then you are whatever they are. I think a law like this would keep many illegals from coming here in the first place.
 
I think carrying an ID at all times is worth it if it can insure the success of such a law. It's quite literally no extra work to make sure it's in your pocket or wallet. For some of us in the larger, more expansive states, it isn't really conceivable to get places by yourself without driving anyways, so you'd be hardpressed to be out and about WITHOUT ID.
 
Na that will not work and would change our own history

Mr. Man said:
While I usually have a drivers licence on me I often have no ID when working in the yard. Now I don't expect the police to question me in my own yard but if they ever did we could have a problem. 911 seems to be the scapegoat for more and more government intrusion in our daily lives. I personally will not fly anymore unless it's and absolute emergency.
It may sound harsh but I could support a closed border policy. Yet to be determined is what that exactly means. I would also support a policy that makes guest worker papers readily available to those who qualify and create a no excuses policy to those who try to break the rules. They'd get the boot and I would not let them qualify for return acceptance.
I would also support a new Constitutional amendment that says just because you are born in America doesn't necessarily mean you're an American. You would need to be born to parents that are American, at least one anyway. If your parents are applying for legal status then the outcome of that application will determine your child's status. If you are born to non-American parents then you are whatever they are. I think a law like this would keep many illegals from coming here in the first place.
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Many came to America over the years in our past that waited to get legal status and had children that were automaticly called American's if the parents had a green card and made it past the Quarenteen.

Might have even been your Grand or Great Grandparents that fell into that clause.

During the revolution imigrants comming off the boats were subject to the draft once they hit American soil and automaticly became citizens.
 
LeoVampire said:
Many came to America over the years in our past that waited to get legal status and had children that were automaticly called American's if the parents had a green card and made it past the Quarenteen.

Might have even been your Grand or Great Grandparents that fell into that clause.

During the revolution imigrants comming off the boats were subject to the draft once they hit American soil and automaticly became citizens.
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That's fine when they come here LEGALLY.
 
Mr. Man said:
It may sound harsh but I could support a closed border policy. Yet to be determined is what that exactly means. I would also support a policy that makes guest worker papers readily available to those who qualify and create a no excuses policy to those who try to break the rules. They'd get the boot and I would not let them qualify for return acceptance.
I would also support a new Constitutional amendment that says just because you are born in America doesn't necessarily mean you're an American. You would need to be born to parents that are American, at least one anyway. If your parents are applying for legal status then the outcome of that application will determine your child's status. If you are born to non-American parents then you are whatever they are. I think a law like this would keep many illegals from coming here in the first place.
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Great ideas.
 
A country that cannot or does not enforce its border and/or immigration policies will not be a country for long.
 
babbage said:
Illegals sneak into America just so they can get emergency room service. That is wrong. Health care is a privilege NOT a right! Why must we the taxpayers pay for this?

How would you like to be personally responsible for ANY person who showed up at your house that was hungry? Oh and you'd be forced to feed them -you would have to personally pay for any food they ate.
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Your first statement is a fallacy. Do you think German, English, French etc people who stay past their visas are here for the health care? People come here for the opportunity America offers.
That's why I said the border patrol people need more latitude in keeping people who come here illegally or over stay their visas the resources to do something about getting them out.
I think you may want to qualify your thought that health care is a privilege not a right. For whom do you mean? If for some reason you fall on hard times and can't afford health care should we turn a blind eye towards you? I think not. I don't believe people should be left to die just because they can't afford health care, legal or otherwise, perhaps you do. I do believe there are ways to keep people who shouldn't be here out but our government is reluctant or unable to do so. If we could keep them out in the first place then we could start to get a hold on the cost of health care.
 
The only viable solution is to enforce the existing immigration laws.

The reason Mexico is a country w/ few economic opportunities is because of Mexicans who are either corrupt or tolerating corruption.

Send the 20% of Mexicans that are in the US illegally back to Mexico and Mexico will begin a transformation with in 6 months. President Eisenhower did it with operation "Wet Back".

The Mexican Gov't teaches courses, distributes brochures and issues fake IDs all for the purpose of illegally living in the USA.

Allow illegal immigrants to continue to come to the US as an option to staying in Mexico and changing their own country and Mexico will never have economic opportunities for it's citizens.

We are supporting the corruption of Mexico, which is resulting in many Mexicans being trapped in poverty.
 
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