Proven HP Combination's N/A

I certianally appreciate what musclemerc is trying to do with this thread. I also know that the dyno is not the "be all, end all" for modification comparisson. I've run better with less horsepower than others, and visa-versa. My situation is somewhat unique as I believe I'm one of the few who hasn't done the 4.10 gears. Before anyone pipes up, I know gears do nothing for horsepower/torque, but they do work with hp/tq. I'm using this thread as a way to see who has done what, what seems to work, and just as important, what doesn't work (believe me, I've spent money for no gain or even a regression from time to time. I also know Sgt Mac didn't make 1000+ ft-lbs of torque, although I am holding out hope that "Mr. X" does have some big news for us. Anyway, to me I'm liking this thread, and my "braggin' dyno" is the actual track and/or "private speed contest" location.
 
musclemerc said:
Joe Walsh: *325HP/340TQ* *Highest-BBS-HP/Torque*

Forged 5.0 big bore stroker engine
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Joe doesn't have a BB/S, he has a 5.0 Big Bore.

There are two ways to get a 5.0 mod motor, one is with a big bore, the other is with a stroker.

A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.
 
FordNut said:
Joe doesn't have a BB/S, he has a 5.0 Big Bore.

Thanks I fixed it.

There are two ways to get a 5.0 mod motor, one is with a big bore, the other is with a stroker.

A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

Wow!! You never emailed me this info. Hmmm I remember requesting it last week? You gotta dyno sheet for this setup?

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.

Read post #10. I already said that.
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Thanks Paul, you get the point. I'm also looking for what work's.... I started hunting for one of those flimsy PSRI's from the Naz man. If I can find one I will have to dust off my TIG welder and get to fixin.
 
^^Not a short runner. Roy on Mach1.net also is a good P&P guy, he also does a PSRI and reuse's the stock bottom piece
 
musclemerc said:
FordNut said:
A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

Wow!! You never emailed me this info. Hmmm I remember requesting it last week? You gotta dyno sheet for this setup?

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.

Read post #10. I already said that.
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I didn't email, I just posted the build info in this thread, it was easier to edit and add in mods that I had forgotten to mention.

Brian already does have dyno runs for the MMR 5.3 BB/S, but it didn't produce what he expected so I assume he's waiting for the next time around. I'll see if I can find the thread... I think it puts him near the top of the list even though he had problems. Pretty close to Joe Walsh's numbers but without headers.

edit: Found it, 315/357, it's posted here: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58491
 
Paul T. Casey said:
I certianally appreciate what musclemerc is trying to do with this thread. I also know that the dyno is not the "be all, end all" for modification comparisson. I've run better with less horsepower than others, and visa-versa. My situation is somewhat unique as I believe I'm one of the few who hasn't done the 4.10 gears. Before anyone pipes up, I know gears do nothing for horsepower/torque, but they do work with hp/tq. I'm using this thread as a way to see who has done what, what seems to work, and just as important, what doesn't work (believe me, I've spent money for no gain or even a regression from time to time. I also know Sgt Mac didn't make 1000+ ft-lbs of torque, although I am holding out hope that "Mr. X" does have some big news for us. Anyway, to me I'm liking this thread, and my "braggin' dyno" is the actual track and/or "private speed contest" location.
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Gears and torque converter can make a slight difference also. My dyno numbers were with a PI triple disc 3500 stall converter and stock 3.55 gears (3.50 effective gear ratio with 255/55-18 tires).

Info from PI's website www.converter.com
"The torque multiplication on the 9.5-inch series is 2.53 to 1 compared to stock at 1.93 to 1. The torque multiplication of the converter will deliver an increase of up to 50 horsepower to the rear wheels." I think the torque multiplication difference really helped on my torque number as it is around other NA members with headers and full exhaust.
 
ctrlraven said:
Gears and torque converter can make a slight difference also. My dyno numbers were with a PI triple disc 3500 stall converter and stock 3.55 gears (3.50 effective gear ratio with 255/55-18 tires).

Info from PI's website www.converter.com
"The torque multiplication on the 9.5-inch series is 2.53 to 1 compared to stock at 1.93 to 1. The torque multiplication of the converter will deliver an increase of up to 50 horsepower to the rear wheels." I think the torque multiplication difference really helped on my torque number as it is around other NA members with headers and full exhaust.
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If the converter is locked, as is the case with most of our dyno runs, there should be no torque multiplication. However, the smaller converter and lower mass does result in quicker acceleration.
 
So to summarize...

TAF: 242HP/261TQ *Stock MM*

Breeze: 242HP/259TQ *Stock MM*

Anonymous Member: 464HP/425TQ *Built 4.6 (eddy current dyno)*

FordNut: 365HP/369TQ *Built 5.3*

Joe Walsh: 325HP/340TQ *5.0 Big Bore*

dohc324ci (bcastro): 315HP/357TQ *MMR Built 5.3*

Impalaslayer: 306HP/295TQ *Stock Long Block*

Fordnut: 303HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Maryland: 302HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Paul T. Casey: 300HP/315TQ *Stock Long Block*

Glenn: 298HP/ *Stock Long Block*

kmastl: 294HP/307TQ *Stock Long Block*

Blackbeauty2: 293HP/308TQ *Stock Long Block*

2,4shofast: 292HP/284TQ *Stock Long Block*

TAF: 290HP/316TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 284HP/298TQ---2003MM *Stock Long Block*

ctrlraven: 282HP/313TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ---2004 MM *Stock Long Block*

4drcbra: 274HP/302TQ *Stock Long Block*
 
musclemerc said:
dohc324ci: 317HP/357TQ *Highest -BBS- HP/TQ*
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Wrong again...
FordNut said:
365.4 rwhp, 368.9 rwtq
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musclemerc said:
I will add Brian's info right now.
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The fact that you don't want to put together a complete and accurate list may have some bearing on your inability to get this thread made into a sticky.

FordNut said:
So to summarize...

TAF: 242HP/261TQ *Stock MM*

Breeze: 242HP/259TQ *Stock MM*

Anonymous Member: 464HP/425TQ *Built 4.6 (eddy current dyno)*

FordNut: 365HP/369TQ *Built 5.3*

Joe Walsh: 325HP/340TQ *5.0 Big Bore*

dohc324ci (bcastro): 315HP/357TQ *MMR Built 5.3*

Impalaslayer: 306HP/295TQ *Stock Long Block*

Fordnut: 303HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Maryland: 302HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Paul T. Casey: 300HP/315TQ *Stock Long Block*

Glenn: 298HP/ *Stock Long Block*

kmastl: 294HP/307TQ *Stock Long Block*

Blackbeauty2: 293HP/308TQ *Stock Long Block*

2,4shofast: 292HP/284TQ *Stock Long Block*

TAF: 290HP/316TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 284HP/298TQ---2003MM *Stock Long Block*

ctrlraven: 282HP/313TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ---2004 MM *Stock Long Block*

4drcbra: 274HP/302TQ *Stock Long Block*
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It's up to the mods to make it a sticky not up to me. They can do with this info whatever they like. I didnt make this thread with the intent of it becomming a sticky. I wrote it to give the N/A member's an idea of HP expectations with a combination of mods.

I said I would add Brian's info right now,,, I did, dohc324ci is Brian. LOL

Look Fordnut, I sent 2 or 3 emails to you begging for your info a week or two ago, you never responded to either of them. As a matter of fact you were the first person that came to mind when I made my list of member's to contact. You chose to post your mods (I sent you an email asking to please edit your post back because I already put it in the 1st thread. You did'nt). Email me the info and it will be included... Brian did, so did mostly everyone else
 
FordNut said:
If the converter is locked, as is the case with most of our dyno runs, there should be no torque multiplication. However, the smaller converter and lower mass does result in quicker acceleration.
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The DRtune was DR's 3rd gear lock dyno run tune pull 30 mph to 149 mph to 6300 rpms, Zack's was 3rd gear 70 mph to 145 mph 6300 rpms.
 
Musclemerc, thanks for this thread. I made a hand written list the other week of timeslips and NA mods so I could see how I wanted to go. This thread adds to that and IMNSHO helps me to better see what mods I will do. OBTW forget the ones critiquing you on how or why you have done this. Good info and a plus for the MM community in my book. I also like the ideal of $ per HP or $ per second in the quarter mile, would be very interesting.
 
Travis I PM'd you Brian's numbers please post so we can move on with the thread and make it a sticky!!! You two are killing me.....
 
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