Turbocharged Coyote/6R80 Swap, Build/Discussion Thread, Pics, info inside!
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lji372
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96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
It's my understanding that Ford Racing also revealed a 6R80 control pack at SEMA recently. As far as the availability, I haven't checked in a while but the part # was active, just no availability or pricing (this was a month or so ago). Might be a different story now!
It's VERY funny you mention that! When I had decided to go Coyote.....I also had started looking at the 3.5 Eco's as well. I mean, seriously. Pricing is nearly identical for both power trains. The 3.5L is a beast.....my '15 with it's current tune, will turn over the front wheels on a boost launch. It's sick. I plan on getting some video up of it, after I get the Marauder up to speed.
There were two reasons that idea got killed. The first, was I just didn't want a Marauder that....sounded like a V6. Idk why that idea bothered me so......but it just didn't sit right with how these cars are.
The second, I knew the Coyote on boost can throw down harder, and has a lot of viable options later on for upgrades (Boss components, huge aftermarket support that is continually growing as far as other motor options/ect).
Those reasons, are the only ones that stopped me. Indeed, it would have been VERY unique, and from driving my '15, I can tell you that it would have been a very fast as well. I'm starting to see Crew Cab setups like mine running 12's with the Eco, with some tuning and fuel! Crazy.
This is true. From a fitment point of view, getting the motor in was actually the easiest part. The hard part (for most I believe) would have been a lot of the O.E. wiring integration as far as keeping everything functional electrically, in addition to not cobbling up the car doing so.
It will not. I tried initially. The motor will sit in place, but you literally have like 1/8 to 1/16" maximum clearance between the K and oil pan sump. If you tilt the engine back any, it hits. This presented two problems. First, I couldn't get the drive line angles I needed, and second with the trans in place you had to have the tail so high it hit the tunnel.
The set back, is required with the Moroso oil pan on this swap. Also, if the motor was in the stock location still, the reverse mounted alternator would have hit the O.E. cooling fan shroud/coolant resivoir. Setting it back, made many original components fit perfectly.
The cooling fan/radiator, mounts, everything is still the O.E. Marauder equipment less hoses. I always try to keep the O.E. stuff in play as much as possible, as it presents a more clean, and professional look, I think. But, sometimes this is not always possible.
On a side note, the car is back on the ground! I have the base tune to start with. All I need to do at this point is get the boost gauge/wideband installed, some minor plumbing for it, and begin with the base tune.
In tuning/testing the BOV last night, I was able to achieve nearly 2 psi on a heavy foot brake, and man the throat of finally having some performance exhaust, in addition to hearing the Coyote eat a little boost, was very encouraging! I can't wait to get you guys sound clips of her, the OE mufflers were certainly making her sound tame.
So far, the turbo sizing looks good. Make sense, as my data/sizing theory vs. my previous builds, indicated this setup would work on this combo as well.
Working on getting those videos and some rolling burnout action guys!
The ford racing coyote/6r80 control pack will ONLY work with 2015 and later motor/trans according to the guys at ford racing. I went round and round with them just the other day about it. They said the hardware and software is different for the 2015 stuff and isn't backward compatible.
It just doesn't sound reasonable to me, I asked them exactly what was the difference but they either couldn't or wouldn't tell me.
Al, if you have any inside connection that can let you in on the secret, I'd sure like to know what's up with that.
It just doesn't sound reasonable to me, I asked them exactly what was the difference but they either couldn't or wouldn't tell me.
Al, if you have any inside connection that can let you in on the secret, I'd sure like to know what's up with that.
96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
Unfortunately i do not.
However, looking at it from my angle I believe I understand where they are coming from on this.
Those products are essentially 'plug and play'. There are some changes such as variable runner control added to the '15 upward Coyote, and a different processor. I have not checked each engine sensor/connector, but if the wiring plugs are the same, the newer control pack harness should plug in properly less the intake runner control.
From that point, it would all be in the tuning. Delete the runner control and set up the tune for the '11-14 Coyote. This however, is complex in itself and would be difficult for even a decent tuning shop. There is a LOT to tuning these, and it gets even worse in '15 upward.
So, rather than open a can of worms, it's easier to market the product to what it's originally intended, as there will be many issues to over come using it on an older Coyote.
I'm sure, someone will tackle and get it eventually, there is just too much demand for this trans to not get something going.......
My method, is very, VERY simple. ESPECIALLY now that Brooks Speed (Eric) has started doing PATS delete on the '11-14 ECU's. It's simply a matter of grabbing the schematic book, and hooking up the necessary pins on the Body plug of the PCM. The Engine and transmission harness, less the power to the VCT system, and O2 sensors, is self contained.
Well, I guess I'm not up on the changes to the coyote in the 15+, so I guess you answered why it won't work for me.
As to adapting the 11-14 pcm and wiring to my car, there won't be any body connection, nothing much like that on a 93 Mustang.
But, you're saying that the engine/trans can easily be setup as stand alone, right? What about getting the OBDII port so a tuner can be connected? That would be part of the body harness on a stock f150 or Mustang wouldn't it?
96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
Correct. It can be easily set up to stand alone, however you will have to have a relay box. I use this on most of my stand alone harness conversions:
http://www.currentperformance.com/shop/sa-1500-stand-alone-fuserelay-module/
As far as the OBD II port, easy to add in. You have to run two wires from the Coyote computer (CAN + and CAN -), and provide a power and ground to the DLC plug. That's it.
All of the circuits in question are located on the "Body" plug of the Coyote computer. This is the plug that goes to the PDB on the control pack.
96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
Thank you! And yes, I can't wait to meet up with you guys up that way some time! Seems like a really cool crowd!
Got some driving time today, she spools and everything seems to function....that's a relief to say the least. No exhaust leaks, it was a good feeling after all this work.
Now, on to tuning and then it's relaxation time!
Next up, there will be video! Should be hard into tuning next weekend.
Looks great, it will be interesting to see the results after it is tuned.
I read that the PATS was a big problem that has since been overcome by disabling it. As far as anti-theft goes it does at least prevent your average dirtbag from stealing your car by ripping out the ignition lock. What are the chances of integrating the OEM Coyote (or Ecoboost) PATS key into the Marauder? Pretty ambitious, but it would be nice.
I read that the PATS was a big problem that has since been overcome by disabling it. As far as anti-theft goes it does at least prevent your average dirtbag from stealing your car by ripping out the ignition lock. What are the chances of integrating the OEM Coyote (or Ecoboost) PATS key into the Marauder? Pretty ambitious, but it would be nice.
Marauderjack
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Is this a good deal Zack??
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performa...l&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160307email
justbob
Sick-Speed play toy
Mines been off for years. Good insurance is a plus.
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96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
Yes, the O.E. Marauder PATS is integrated.
If the OE Pats system does not issue the all clear, the car will not start, just like factory. This was easily accomplished via keeping the OE Marauder PCM powered up, and simply using it's starter relay enabler circuit integrated into the Coyote setup.
Will it prevent the car from being stolen? Not by a professional. In fact, the only reason I integrated it, was to follow through with my seamless integration practices when doing swaps.
96gt4.6
Panther Swap Specialist
Timestamp 0:30 illustrates this in my video here, you can see the O.E. PATS light on the Marauder still functional:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbXYFjyS2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbXYFjyS2o
Zack
Turbo Marauder
"Good" insurance is not available to those who drive their cars more than a couple times a week, unfortunately.
Cool! Yes, I know that nothing stops a thief if they are determined enough. But it can certainly slow them down and stop many of the ordinary criminals.