3 Great years and more to come...

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MI2QWK4U said:
... I wish more of you would have visited the dark side, maybe your opinions of people, both good and bad would have changed, I know mine changed on several people. ...
I didn't join, but I did visit several times, until I couldn't stand any more. :shake:

After seeing some of the posts, ones directed at people I know, and ones I have not
met but have respect for because of the way they conduct themselves here, it did
change my feelings about some members and I 'm sorry to say mostly for the bad. :(

2003 MIB, you're a very forgiving person and a good friend. IMHO, one can forgive,
it's the forgetting that is the crux of the problem. :(

SergntMac, excellent post :2thumbs:, we're on the same page.
 
:( Just wanted to post my penny's worth. I work on a computer all day and have lost a lot of my zest for the internet and the associated junk that goes with it. When I found this site and the brotherhood here it was and still is refreshing. I really appreciate all the work Logan and company do to keep this site up and running, as well as I try to respect each of you and your right to speak your mind. The information available here is invaluable to me and the MM, so let's just agree to disagree and call it day.
 
I'm a little late, but I'll weigh in since I posted there as well.

To be honest, if it doesn't have anything to do with my car, I usually don't even read the thread. I was a day or two late in finding the dark side, and wondered what Logan was thinking. When he 'outed' me, I realized what he was doing, and thought my experience could help. I edit/moderate a board based souly on political discussion, and I know that is one topic that gets people riled up. All one has to do is challenge another's opinion. If that opinion is based on the opinions of others the person is unable to logically defend their position; anger, name calling and eventually threats to one's person ensues. I know that is exactally the type of discussion Logan, Mary and Dan try to avoid here, because it can only lead to bad places. Sometimes those threats are carried through in the real world. It's happened to me, which is why I write under a pseudonym. MM.net is the only place on the Internet where I've given my first name, and my personal information is available from Mary's list. Hopefully, that shows the trust I feel for this community.

As for 'the experiment', I don't think it's valid to call it 'scientific'. It wasn't meant to be. It was a 'Lord of The Flies' scenario, meant to show people what would really happen if left without rules. I think it was stunning, and disappointing at the same time. It certainally makes me appreciate what the moderators put up with (being there myself) and how their efforts have built this community. It distressed me to see the personal attacks on them. From what I can tell from reading their posts , they are warm, intellegent people who only want to do good. They didn't deserve that. Same goes for Dennis, Lido, Sarge, and anyone else I missed. They've spent their money, and documented processes for us out of the kindness of their hearts at no cost to us, to make the Marauder community better. I've read so much on transmissions, engines, forced air systems etc. that I couldn't possibly have learned anywhere for the price. Dissing' them in print is just wrong.

Well, no regrets. I said what I said. I didn't try to tick anyone off, and not call them down. Nothing I wouldn't have said on this side of the line, excluding that the subject matter isn't permitted. If I did manage to tick anyone off, well, chalk it up to the passion involved in discussing politics, and accept my regets. Your politics is different than mine and is different from most everone elses. It was only my intention to have a discussion with a different crowd on a subject which stirs me, and in which I am versed. It was also my intention to show people how quickly the subject of politics degenerates onto name calling and physical threats, once the advantage of seeing the body cues you miss in a person are removed; when all you can see is their written word. I'm certain many hard feelings have arisen because one cannot hear the intonnation of voice or playful look in the eyes.

Having participated in many on-line communities since the BBS days, I'd also like to make an observation. Whether a total lack of politeness is a reflection of our society or the lack of basic manners in society is a reflection of an increasingly impersonal on-line 'social communities'; there is a disturbing trend that I find was amplified in TheDarkSide. People think that relative anonymity and large distances allows them to be outwardly rude or hostile to others, and what's worse is; those people that are proud of their rudeness! It's just wrong. My 2 cents.

Thanks again to the people who put their skull sweat and time into making this a wonderful community.

And, thanks for reading my rant.
 
B.C. Bake said:
Keep up the excellent work Logan, Mary, Dan, and Dennis. I've grone very fond of this site and would hate to see it go. :( BTW what would my Marauder think if I told her the sight was gone:eek: it would never run the same. OK nuff said keep it real and many more good times to come.:beer: P.S. the haters:banned: .
^^^^^I 2nd this....^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Dr Caleb said:
I'm a little late, but I'll weigh in since I posted there as well.

To be honest, if it doesn't have anything to do with my car, I usually don't even read the thread. I was a day or two late in finding the dark side, and wondered what Logan was thinking. When he 'outed' me, I realized what he was doing, and thought my experience could help. I edit/moderate a board based souly on political discussion, and I know that is one topic that gets people riled up. All one has to do is challenge another's opinion. If that opinion is based on the opinions of others the person is unable to logically defend their position; anger, name calling and eventually threats to one's person ensues. I know that is exactally the type of discussion Logan, Mary and Dan try to avoid here, because it can only lead to bad places. Sometimes those threats are carried through in the real world. It's happened to me, which is why I write under a pseudonym. MM.net is the only place on the Internet where I've given my first name, and my personal information is available from Mary's list. Hopefully, that shows the trust I feel for this community.

As for 'the experiment', I don't think it's valid to call it 'scientific'. It wasn't meant to be. It was a 'Lord of The Flies' scenario, meant to show people what would really happen if left without rules. I think it was stunning, and disappointing at the same time. It certainally makes me appreciate what the moderators put up with (being there myself) and how their efforts have built this community. It distressed me to see the personal attacks on them. From what I can tell from reading their posts , they are warm, intellegent people who only want to do good. They didn't deserve that. Same goes for Dennis, Lido, Sarge, and anyone else I missed. They've spent their money, and documented processes for us out of the kindness of their hearts at no cost to us, to make the Marauder community better. I've read so much on transmissions, engines, forced air systems etc. that I couldn't possibly have learned anywhere for the price. Dissing' them in print is just wrong.

Well, no regrets. I said what I said. I didn't try to tick anyone off, and not call them down. Nothing I wouldn't have said on this side of the line, excluding that the subject matter isn't permitted. If I did manage to tick anyone off, well, chalk it up to the passion involved in discussing politics, and accept my regets. Your politics is different than mine and is different from most everone elses. It was only my intention to have a discussion with a different crowd on a subject which stirs me, and in which I am versed. It was also my intention to show people how quickly the subject of politics degenerates onto name calling and physical threats, once the advantage of seeing the body cues you miss in a person are removed; when all you can see is their written word. I'm certain many hard feelings have arisen because one cannot hear the intonnation of voice or playful look in the eyes.

Having participated in many on-line communities since the BBS days, I'd also like to make an observation. Whether a total lack of politeness is a reflection of our society or the lack of basic manners in society is a reflection of an increasingly impersonal on-line 'social communities'; there is a disturbing trend that I find was amplified in TheDarkSide. People think that relative anonymity and large distances allows them to be outwardly rude or hostile to others, and what's worse is; those people that are proud of their rudeness! It's just wrong. My 2 cents.

Thanks again to the people who put their skull sweat and time into making this a wonderful community.

And, thanks for reading my rant.

Nice rant.

But you really aren't Dr Caleb? :eek: I feel cheated! :P
 
Bravo!

Let Me Say first Off To Logan, BRAVO! Great Idea Throwing the Reins to the Masses and Watch the Mayhem Unfold!

I Signed Up for the Darkside, I Admit that I Used words that would be Defined as "Colorful" too. I Also Very Much Enjoyed the Interesting Avatars that Some Guys Had Hiding on Their PC as Well!
But For What Its Worth, I Actually Liked the Darkside and Reading the Funny Posts and seeing the Dopey Pictures. It was like a Car Wreck So I had no choice but to stop and see the Carnage.
It was Obvious that The Site would have Self Destructed within a months time and it Wouldn't Be long before It carried Over to this Site and Ruined All the Work and the Trust Of the Members That have been Relying on this Board for all Their Marauder Needs.
If the DarkSide Ever Returned I Would Definitly Register again. Not to See People Whine and Rant, but to See the Real Side of Some of the Members and Get a feeling for How they Talk and Act Without Having a BabySitter Delete the Thread or Post because it Violated a No Cursing Policy or because it was in bad Taste According to a Moderator.
We all have our Opinions and the Right to Say them, But out of Respect for the Members,the Mods,and the Board itself, Keeping them In good Taste and Within the Rules of this Board is Just fine with me.

Long Live MM.net
 
You are so completely right. I've been a very limited visitor to this site for the last several months due to a variety of commitments, so I was really surprised by all of this the last couple of days. At the end of the day, Logan, its your site. No explanation required. Thank you so much for making this available to us. Terminate accounts at will. If they don't like it, let them drive their ricer off and start a site of their own.

Marc
 
Didn't go there, :bs: glad I didn't. I am in Chicago now and was watching my Red Sox get hammered last night. This is a great site and I have met alot of great people who are now my friends. The love for our cars and interchanging information is what it is all about. Thanks to Logan and all the moderators who help keep it civil.

Now, that this DS stuff is over, I hope that Red Sox win tonight :D
 
Just a bad nightmare.....

FordNut said:
Good riddance. Even if people have differences at least they are civil here. That was total anarchy, and it didn't take long to start affecting this side too.
Thank you Logan and staff for the real eye opener, that site would have never lasted another day, I'm glad to hear it was all a bad nightmare and that it's all over.
 
3 years

Guess I'm in the minority, but I'm used to that living in Texas. Anyway, I thought it was kinda funny. Granted, there were some that went off the deep end but that was part of what made it funny.
My two posts were especially funny IMHO. And they contained no references to persons, companies nor contained any 4 letter words.
 
Bigdogjim said:
Well next time someone opens the door to a car ask "where are you going?"
Farce or no farce some fell very hard! Other feel nothing but hurt over what was posted. Me I just laugh. Personaly I think it's all funny :P I love the suck ups some are trying to do. Wonder how some of you sleep at night?
Something tell me this is far from over? Hope I am wrong?
Only time will tell.
Don't worry Dave I still love ya!
It's all good in the end.
See on Woodward Ave. next year, you can buy me a :beer:
....this is so cool---the comment about the suck ups thing---and probably right--donno--anyway--the real stuff is --meet at the track --lets see whatch got attitude is where it counts....and thats where I am heading............can't tell ya why .....just yet anyway........
 
Glad DS is Gone.

I was distressed and embarassed by what some of our community had to write the one time I visited last night. DS turned my stomach.

Thank you Logan, Mary, Dan for this insight into human nature and please, keep the controls on the legitimate MM.net site. The personal value of this site to me cannot be measured. The people I have met through the site are superb, and it is the quality of the MM drivers that participate here, that keep me coming back.

We are all visiting in someone else's house here, and my folks taught me to be on my best behavior when visiting friends, or strangers.

I truly hope that the positive image of MM.net does not suffer permanent damage from the defacing done on the dark side.
 
Logan said:
*clip* Was it absurd? I don't think so, I'd honestly of been happy to leave it up if people could prove me wrong. *clip*

Not being a smart alec, but I think I'm being misunderstood. I think if the darkside were truly an unmoderated forum without the "actors" it wouldn't have been absurd, thus why I qualified my statement by saying it was an elaborate theatric, so I find it absurd. And not like I expect you to care, but I was really put off that the heavyweights on this website put on this show. Otherwise, it would have been kudos for trying but too bad it didn't work out. What is not absurd is your wish that if given the chance, the users on this site could engage in unmoderated discussion without being total maroons about it...that's a worthy wish.

But these things have a timeline, just like this vanilla version of the website. Start it up, an initial population will flock because it's new and they're gonna check it out. Of course the waters are going to be tested cause who knows what is going to be tolerated, but of course no personality of the site has take root at this point. Given time it will establish a group of regulars and an overall atmosphere. It's the ebb and flow of the internet forum.
 
DS Gone

First, thank you Logan for this fine MM.net website. My MM would not be what it is today without MM.net. I will admit my time on the DS was a little scary with what I read and saw. I am glad it is gone. I really enjoy this net the way it is run and managed. My $.02.

Glenn
 
Donny Carlson said:
Edit: Just posting the rant was enough. Move on, nothing to see here.
In my best soup nazi voice....

No negative rep points for you...thirty days...:P
 
SergntMac said:
BTW, I didn't mind the cheesecake, but how did that get to be dark?
(Homer Simpson voice)

Chocolate Cheescake......

4cs-cheesecake-normal.jpg
 
I had expected something differant...

Logan!

Whaaaazup???
First--
Thanks Logan, and you other folks! For building, and maintaining a site where I can surf at will, day or night, carry on free conversation, about nearly anything, and not fear any trouble from my employment, my wife, and my neighbors. (Actually for me... my wife's opinion IS the only one that counts!!! I have quit better jobs...and I dont think the neighbors give a Rat's Patootie!)

I visited the Dark Side, but was not able to log in, (Dang-It!) to see what was up in Logan's mind (That was a bad visual!)...first thread I clicked on brought up an enourmous set of knockers, (WOW!)...all fine and good--except---
here in the real world (anything viewed as porn...) will get many career professional people escorted to the front door of the last place they were employed, including me. NOT Cool.

I did not know that this was only a test, I only know that there is a time and place for everything, and I simply did not have the time...and work definatly aint the place...that was simply the end of that.

Me and Logan used to hang out, and visit after Cougar Club Meetings, you want to mess with him, you got to come see me...(said in my best New York, Italian, mafia accent) I dont view any bashing directed towards Logan as cool...(Logan? whose bed gets this Horse's head???)




What? you people drive cars that were actually built in this decade???
NOT ME! Nooooo, Nooooo, Noooo...Vintage Iron works for me, thank you very much. 1963 390 4-V Super Marauder (21 foot long, and 2 tons of luxury!)

P.S. Maurey, we missed you at the fair!

:beer:
 
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If this was an actual emergency, you would be instructed to leave

Amused at some of the posts.
I did register, tempted to sling a few wise cracks around.
I felt if , I did join in, I would be endorseing the wrong party(s)

Kinda reminded me of as a kid, yelling to hear my own voice echo.
Or when the teacher left the classroom full of students.
What I felt most pity for, was the anger some people showed.

Made me feel very greatful, for all the wonderful people that have contributed to the community.
Thanks a million to all my Marauder Brotherns + Sisterens!!! :bigcry:
 
Bradley@DynoPros said:
Amused at some of the posts.
I did register, tempted to sling a few wise cracks around.
I felt if , I did join in, I would be endorseing the wrong party(s)

Kinda reminded me of as a kid, yelling to hear my own voice echo.
Or when the teacher left the classroom full of students.
What I felt most pity for, was the anger some people showed.

Made me feel very greatful, for all the wonderful people that have contributed to the community.
Thanks a million to all my Marauder Brotherns + Sisterens!!! :bigcry:
PS. I read all seven pages and I got #100. Can you guys Gold plate my supercharger?:P
 
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