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Bigdogjim said:
Too little too late:)
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Jim, I'm really not sure what you meant by your "too little and too late" statement since it's ambiguous. I have nothing to be sorry about. I don't regret anything that I posted in the Darkside, and the only reason why I don't post it here is because Logan doesn't want it here, and I know that. I didn't go off the deep end at all while posting there IMO, and if you or anyone else doesn't agree with that, then that's simply your problem, and not mine. If you think that what I've stated is too little too late because of what other board members wrote over there, then hey, that isn't my biz, because they have to answer for themselves. I cannot answer for them.
 
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Silver_04 said:
............................ I think if the darkside were truly an unmoderated forum without the "actors" it wouldn't have been absurd, thus why I qualified my statement by saying it was an elaborate theatric, so I find it absurd. And not like I expect you to care, but I was really put off that the heavyweights on this website put on this show. Otherwise, it would have been kudos for trying but too bad it didn't work out. What is not absurd is your wish that if given the chance, the users on this site could engage in unmoderated discussion without being total maroons about it...that's a worthy wish.

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Were there "actors" posting on DS? I'm not yet convinced of it. I didn't interpret what Logan said as "actors" posing as other members to post cr*p on purpose.

Even if "actors were posting though, it doesn't explain nor excuse the posts of the non "actors" who posted on the DS.
 
RCSignals said:
Were there "actors" posting on DS? I'm not yet convinced of it. I didn't interpret what Logan said as "actors" posing as other members to post cr*p on purpose.

Even if "actors were posting though, it doesn't explain nor excuse the posts of the non "actors" who posted on the DS.
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RC I dont think there were, I know I wasnt.
 
MI2QWK4U said:
RC I dont think there were, I know I wasnt.
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That's my feeling, that there weren't any actors of the playing a role sense.


As I re-read Logan's post, I get that Logan created the DS as an 'experiment' to see how an unmoderated forum would work. He created an 'open range' or 'blank slate' and stood back.
The 'actors' Logan refers to are only those who registered and participated, and not 'plants' to agitate.
Dennis has confirmed in his forum that he was not a knowing participant in all this, something I suspected. I can only guess at Logan's surprise when Dennis reacted as he did.

Dave, I also believe you when you said you were not part of any 'play' I can imagine your frustration at being a moderator of an unmoderated board, having read some of what was going on there!
 
Wow

I take off for a few days from this site and it sounds like all hell broke out. I really don't want to re-hash but can someone send me a recap of what happened?
Thanks
 
I guess the one thing I just don't understand is how everyone is giving kudo's to Logan for setting up a site to cause such disharmony. I think that if there was problem with some people it could have been handled differently. I myself am gald that I got to say somethings. Others I am sure were blindsided by all of this. It makes me also wonder if certain people were tipped off by what was going to happen. I know there are some people that would always come to their defense when they had too. But on this occasion they remained quiet. I really don't want to start anything here. I just wanted to get this off my chest. I will thank you Logan for us this site. I however will not thank him for what was done this week.
 
bigslim said:
I guess the one thing I just don't understand is how everyone is giving kudo's to Logan for setting up a site to cause such disharmony. ...............
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I really do not think he set DS up to purposely cause any disharmony.
I think he wanted to see, as he indicated in his post, just how well, or not well, it would go. If it went well, I do believe he would have either kept it, or created a special forum on mm.net.
What happened, IMO, blindsided him.
It blinsided many people, including supporting vendors, one of which felt he should close his forum because of it!

Any disharmony as an aftermath was or will be the result of those certain people who posted on the DS.
 
Some people obey the law because they fear the punishment....others because the good in them outweighs the bad.

Everyone had the choice to exercise their free will, no one was forced to write vile and violents thoughts. I don't think Logan should have done this......but remember he didn't tell anyone what to write once there.

Now those that feel that there is too much law enforcement have proof that if you remove the fear of punishment many people will behave like wild animals.

A person even after doing wrong can choose to be BETTER the next time around, even if you are surrounded by BAD you can choose to be good....it takes guts that's all.
Bad is often mistaken for COOL....when you reach the point in your life when you DECIDE that GOOD is COOL...you are there my friend.
 
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The darkside was actually comical in a sense. I never posted or joined, but I read some of the posts/threads. I think he had good intentions. I think, just like everything else, people took advantage of a situation. You know the old saying, " a few bad apples spoil the bunch", thats what happened.
Logan, even though I don't have a Marauder, I have met a lot of people from here, and I wanted to thank you and the gang for a great site.
 
UNSTOPPABLE said:
I feel the only ones that should be sorry here are Logan and his moderators for planning this fiasco.
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This "fiasco" was a one-man decision - The Boss. In a sense, he wisely chose not to clue ANYONE in on his motives in creating the Darkside, though it may have been obvious to some. Logan has dropped bombs before and the only reason he does is to rein the troops in. What's done, is done. If we can learn something from this and move forward as a move cohesive group, I guess the "fiasco" has some merit.
 
My wife is always complaining(typically sometime during her opening 5 minute ramble concerning something totally inconsequential) that I am clueless about most of what is going on in our day to day life.

After reading this thread and realizing that I visit the site everyday and had no idea what was going on with this dark side thing, I am wondering if she's onto something.
 
UNSTOPPABLE said:
I read this thread and saw the Darkside and have one question. Why set up a site advertised as anything goes and then shut it down when you find it disturbing how fast things turned. What did you expect???? This "experiment" was a set-up not to bring out the bad in people but for the moderators to divide the people on this site. Funny thing is, now that the DS is down you have members here coming back to apoligize or state they said nothing wrong while there. I feel the only ones that should be sorry here are Logan and his moderators for planning this fiasco. I'm sure there are others here who feel the same about this, but of course, are afraid to speak up. So after just joining and seeing how things are done around here, I will have no part of it, I am leaving.
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Well Im not leaving but I agree that this was a setup and maybe people got tipped off.Alot of people know to control them selfs and "Bite the bullett"when things are said about them.Others just have to "Fire" back and make there stand. Telling people that on the Darkside you can do what you want and then turn it off when they do(I hope you got all the names)to me is a setup not an experiment.Whats funny though is that last nite on chat the shoe was on the other foot.The Darkside moderator(another setup)is always there to chat and though maybe he had it comming, a few of the so called "good guys" demanded an apology and spewed words that were quite commen on the Darkside and even said the "God will strike you down"if he didn`t then the apology was made.BUT! The person that the apology was for was to busy talking on the phone and missed it at the time it was made.It was all down hill after that so I left.Like I said Im not going away but how I feel about this place will always be different.
 
I keep reading how "I did not register" "I never made a comment there" "I never heard of the Darkside".....

WELL WHO WAS OVER THERE!!!???

We had about 100 people sign up before the plug was pulled. I guesstimate less than 10 people on this thread have admitted signing up.
 
Defyant said:
I keep reading how "I did not register" "I never made a comment there" "I never heard of the Darkside".....

WELL WHO WAS OVER THERE!!!???

We had about 100 people sign up before the plug was pulled. I guesstimate less than 10 people on this thread have admitted signing up.
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You said boobie`s and I was hooked.But I never made any comments about people I was just the "Motor City Tittie man".
 
Hack Goby said:
You said boobie`s and I was hooked.But I never made any comments about people I was just the "Motor City Tittie man".
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:D
For the record, I broke the only rule in a forum with no rules.

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UNSTOPPABLE said:
I read this thread and saw the Darkside and have one question. Why set up a site advertised as anything goes and then shut it down when you find it disturbing how fast things turned. What did you expect???? This "experiment" was a set-up not to bring out the bad in people but for the moderators to divide the people on this site. Funny thing is, now that the DS is down you have members here coming back to apoligize or state they said nothing wrong while there. I feel the only ones that should be sorry here are Logan and his moderators for planning this fiasco. I'm sure there are others here who feel the same about this, but of course, are afraid to speak up. So after just joining and seeing how things are done around here, I will have no part of it, I am leaving.
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Good points... and coming or going is certainly your perogative. However, if you own a Marauder, you may want to reconsider you decision simply from a selfish point of view. It costs you nothing to be here, the site is a wealth of information concerning the car, despite how some people come across, there are a LOT of helpful people.
 
I registered and visited the darkside once before it got yanked. Found it to be the waste of server space that many internet boards are. That's why I don't frequent many BBSes. MM.net is the ONLY one I am on frequently! I check in several times a day. Because it is a WELL moderated board, I am comfortable viewing it from the office. Why is this important to me? We have written policies against most of the things Logan, Mary, and Dan edit out of this board. I wish to thank them for their undying attention to such things so that I may continue to enjoy mm.net every day with ignorance of how much work is involved behind the scenes. I have worked in various aspects of computer stuff for about fifteen years now, and have keen appreciation of the brainslaves that make things go, since I am one of them.

This is Logan's house, and we are privileged to be welcomed into it.
 
MM03MOK said:
<snip> If we can learn something from this and move forward as a move cohesive group, I guess the "fiasco" has some merit.
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Mary, I think your statement above is the key!

We can spend a lot of time focusing on whether Logan's decision was "wise" or not. I have my opinion concerning that as I am sure many do. But it is wasted energy to analyze the motive etc. Better we just focus on moving forward.
 
ckadiddle said:
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This is Logan's house, and we are privileged to be welcomed into it.
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This statement is true to an extent, and many here keeping mouthing such things. But I think it is missleading and might even be the root of some the "issues" this forum has. No one disputes the efforts put into the MM.net by Logan and crew and they don't get near the thanks they deserve. OTOH, this board is like a publicly traded company as well. If you charge advertisers then you have a responsibility to those advertisers.... and the conduct of the board business should reflect that responsibility. Also, I think this statement allows some people to absolve themselves on inherent personal responsibilities. What I mean by that is, if this is Logan's house then I don't have to concern myself with something needed to be fixed, if the dishes are done, etc. Or, rather than use analogies, I don't have to worry about censoring people whose conduct is not representative of how I would like our community to be. I simply sit back and let Logan and moderators shoulder the load rather than sending a PM and trying to "nudge" a person to alter their ways.

No.. I don't disagree this is Logan's house... but it is an empty house, with no color, no warmth, no life without the community that visits this house. So perhaps we should look at it a different way. This is OUR house... Logan happens to be the landlord!
 
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